Ashley Walters, known for his role in Top Boy, talks about his upbringing, failure to invent Deliveroo, prison experience, struggles with toxic masculinity, forgetting lines, and the impact of being recognized. The podcast also touches on parenting, negotiation for the Top Boy revival, fear of success, breaking character, a funny misinterpretation, and the experience of being recognized.
Learning from failure and being honest with oneself and others are crucial for personal growth and fostering strong relationships.
Embracing fear and overcoming self-doubt are essential for handling and managing success.
Thorough preparation, presence, and focus are key for professional growth and avoiding mistakes.
Deep dives
Learning from Failure
Ashley Walters discusses the importance of learning from failure and how it has shaped his life and career. He reflects on making mistakes as a father and the challenges of balancing his career with being there for his children. Walters emphasizes the importance of being honest and open with his children, encouraging them to seek help when needed and fostering a strong, candid relationship with them. He also shares his experiences of seeking male role models and the pressures of being seen as a role model himself.
Facing Fear of Success
Walters opens up about his fear of success and how it has held him back from pursuing certain ideas and ventures. He reflects on a missed opportunity to create a successful business model years before the rise of similar services like Deliveroo. Walters discusses the pressure and self-doubt that come with success and the need to overcome the fear of handling and managing that success. He also shares how he has learned to embrace the fear that comes with growth and recognize it as a signifier of progress.
Lessons from Failure: Forgetting Lines on Stage
Walters recounts a humiliating experience of forgetting his lines while performing on stage at the Royal Court Theatre. He reflects on the importance of thorough preparation and the realization that even successful individuals are not invincible and can make mistakes. This failure has taught him to take his craft more seriously, value the process of preparation, and recognize the importance of being fully present and focused in his performances.
Overcoming People-Pleasing
Walters discusses the challenge of people-pleasing and the pressure to always be liked by others. He reflects on the importance of staying true to oneself and not seeking validation from others. Walters shares his journey of learning to prioritize his own happiness and well-being, even if it means disappointing or not meeting others' expectations. He highlights the significance of setting boundaries and not letting the fear of disappointing others dictate his actions.
The Value of Connection and Vulnerability
Walters emphasizes the importance of connection and vulnerability in his life. He acknowledges the role that therapy, meditation, reading, and praying have played in his personal growth and mental well-being. Walters speaks about the power of honest and open conversations with others who have gone through similar experiences, allowing him to feel understood and supported. He reflects on the dangers of isolation and the transformative power of connecting with oneself and others.
Yes, it's the one and only Top Boy himself: Ashley Walters. As Dushane, the East London drug kingpin in Netflix's hit show Top Boy, Walters is our favourite kind of antihero - and it’s a role he’s about to reprise for the fourth series. He joins me to talk about his own upbringing in Peckham, South London, an only child raised on a council estate by his mother, Pamela, and what it was like combining that reality with a burgeoning love for acting which sometimes felt like a double life. Plus, his failure to have invented Deliveroo (it's a long story), what prison taught him, the failure of toxic masculinity, his failure to remember lines and what being recognised by strangers has made him feel about this inner worth. I love love LOVE this episode because Ashley was so open and vulnerable in a way that just adds to his power. Enjoy!
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How To Fail With Elizabeth Day is hosted by Elizabeth Day, produced by Naomi Mantin and Chris Sharp. To contact us, email howtofailpod@gmail.com