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Welcome down the security rabbithole friends! This week, Andy Kalat takes a few minutes off from recovering to chat and comment on the state of security, and what's different since we first met back in... 2003? Fun episode... It's been a while, Andy!

Highlights from this week's show include...

Andy and Rafal try and figure out when they first met...in real life
Andy points out the problem vendors suffer from "problem-scope-limiting" (this is an interesting one...)
Are things getting better? The guys discuss...snark ensues
Rafal asks Andy to predict what will change in the next ~5yrs

Guest

Andrew Kalat ( @LERG ) - Andy is an IT Security Executive, Co-Host of the Defensive Security Podcast, Speaker, Writer...according to his LinkedIn profile, here.

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