
The Very Dental Podcast Network
The Very Dental Podcast network brings you entertaining and relevant conversations with visionaries, clinicians and your friends in the dental space.
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Jul 4, 2025 • 35min
Very Dental: Building a Practice That Runs Without You with Dr. Paul Etchison
Alan welcomes back friend, dentist, and coach Dr. Paul Etchison to talk about his unique career journey. Paul shares how he went from working in a high-volume clinic to building a startup practice that grew so quickly he was forced to bring on associates. He details the specific strategies he used, like prioritizing new patients and intentionally creating capacity, to scale his single office into a five-doctor, 9,000-patient practice. Paul also opens up about his battle with burnout, the decision to sell to a DSO with the intent to exit, and the surprising realization that led him to stay. This conversation is packed with actionable insights on creating systems, delegating, and building a practice that grants you the freedom to work less and live more. Key insights: From High-Volume to High-Value: Paul’s journey began in a busy HMO/Medicaid clinic, which taught him speed and what he didn't want in a practice. Forced Growth: His startup became so busy through organic referrals that he was "forced" to hire an associate to handle the capacity. The New Patient Engine: Intentionally holding schedule blocks for new patients is a key strategy to drive growth and justify adding hygienists and doctors. The Magic of Two (Plus) Associates: While one associate adds profitability, Dr. Etchison believes the second associate is when the magic happens, making the owner's personal production less critical. The Path to Less Clinical: Paul now works only a few half-days per month by successfully transitioning his practice to be associate-driven. Burnout and the DSO Sale: Feeling overwhelmed, he sold his practice to a DSO at age 39, planning to exit dentistry. Why He Stayed: After the sale, he successfully delegated leadership duties, which rekindled his passion and led him to stay on after his contract ended. Delegate What You Dread: Tasks you hate are often tasks another team member will enjoy; learn to delegate effectively. Design Your Ideal Work Week: Consciously identify what brings you joy versus what drains you, and restructure your role accordingly. Build a Practice That Runs Without You: The ultimate goal is to create systems and a leadership team that allow the practice to thrive, whether you are there or not. Some links from the show: Paul's "Practice Clarity and Frustration Exercise" Paul's website (with details about his upcoming Mastermind!) Join the Very Dental Facebook group using the password "Gary," "Timmerman," Hornbrook" or "McWethy," "Papa Randy" or "Lipscomb!" The Very Dental Podcast network is and will remain free to download. If you’d like to support the shows you love at Very Dental then show a little love to the people that support us! -- Crazy Dental has everything you need from cotton rolls to equipment and everything in between and the best prices you’ll find anywhere! If you head over to verydentalpodcast.com/crazy and use coupon code “VERYDENTAL10” you’ll get another 10% off your order! Go save yourself some money and support the show all at the same time! -- The Wonderist Agency is basically a one stop shop for marketing your practice and your brand. From logo redesign to a full service marketing plan, the folks at Wonderist have you covered! Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/wonderist! -- Enova Illumination makes the very best in loupes and headlights, including their new ergonomic angled prism loupes! They also distribute loupe mounted cameras and even the amazing line of Zumax microscopes! If you want to help out the podcast while upping your magnification and headlight game, you need to head over to verydentalpodcast.com/enova to see their whole line of products! -- CAD-Ray offers the best service on a wide variety of digital scanners, printers, mills and even their very own browser based design software, Clinux! CAD-Ray has been a huge supporter of the Very Dental Podcast Network and I can tell you that you’ll get no better service on everything digital dentistry than the folks from CAD-Ray. Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/CADRay!

Jul 1, 2025 • 17min
Very Clinical: Profitable Practice Without Placing Implants?
In this throwback episode of the Very Clinical podcast, hosts Zach and Kevin are joined by Voices of Dentistry 2023 co-founder, Dr. Alan Mead. Alan kicks off a "myths and tips" segment by challenging the idea that a dental practice must place implants to be profitable, specifically to reach the million-dollar mark. The discussion explores the significant boost in profitability and efficiency that implants can provide, with Kevin sharing his personal experience and insights from mentoring at 3D Dentists. They also touch on the accessibility of implant training and the importance of a digital workflow. For his tip, Alan shares his technique for achieving a superior polish on anterior composite restorations using a sequence of flexible polishing discs, sparking a lively and humorous conversation about proper finishing techniques. Some links from the show: Cosmedent Polishing Discs Join the Very Dental Facebook group using the password "Timmerman," Hornbrook" or "McWethy," "Papa Randy," "Lipscomb" or "Gary!" The Very Dental Podcast network is and will remain free to download. If you’d like to support the shows you love at Very Dental then show a little love to the people that support us! -- Crazy Dental has everything you need from cotton rolls to equipment and everything in between and the best prices you’ll find anywhere! If you head over to verydentalpodcast.com/crazy and use coupon code “VERYDENTAL10” you’ll get another 10% off your order! Go save yourself some money and support the show all at the same time! -- The Wonderist Agency is basically a one stop shop for marketing your practice and your brand. From logo redesign to a full service marketing plan, the folks at Wonderist have you covered! Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/wonderist! -- Enova Illumination makes the very best in loupes and headlights, including their new ergonomic angled prism loupes! They also distribute loupe mounted cameras and even the amazing line of Zumax microscopes! If you want to help out the podcast while upping your magnification and headlight game, you need to head over to verydentalpodcast.com/enova to see their whole line of products! -- CAD-Ray offers the best service on a wide variety of digital scanners, printers, mills and even their very own browser based design software, Clinux! CAD-Ray has been a huge supporter of the Very Dental Podcast Network and I can tell you that you’ll get no better service on everything digital dentistry than the folks from CAD-Ray. Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/CADRay!

Jun 30, 2025 • 30min
AME: Summer Camp for Dentists
Alan Mead shares his personal journey into being a temporary "empty nester" as both of his sons attend the Blue Lake Fine Arts Camp for the first time. He reflects on their artistic pursuits—tuba and fine arts—and the humorous anxieties and newfound freedom that come with a quiet house. In the second half, Alan announces the exciting return of a beloved dental meeting as a pop-up event: "Voices of Dentistry 2025." He details this intimate, last-minute "summer camp for dentists," scheduled for August 1st and 2nd in Gilbert, Arizona! If you're interested in CE, podcasting, and networking it's to get one of the very limited tickets for what promises to be a unique and memorable experience. Some links from the show: Voices of Dentistry 2025 (August 1-2, 2025 in Gilbert Arizona! Blue Lake Fine Arts Camp Join the Very Dental Facebook group using the password "Timmerman," Hornbrook" or "McWethy," "Papa Randy" or "Lipscomb!" The Very Dental Podcast network is and will remain free to download. If you’d like to support the shows you love at Very Dental then show a little love to the people that support us! -- Crazy Dental has everything you need from cotton rolls to equipment and everything in between and the best prices you’ll find anywhere! If you head over to verydentalpodcast.com/crazy and use coupon code “VERYDENTAL10” you’ll get another 10% off your order! Go save yourself some money and support the show all at the same time! -- The Wonderist Agency is basically a one stop shop for marketing your practice and your brand. From logo redesign to a full service marketing plan, the folks at Wonderist have you covered! Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/wonderist! -- Enova Illumination makes the very best in loupes and headlights, including their new ergonomic angled prism loupes! They also distribute loupe mounted cameras and even the amazing line of Zumax microscopes! If you want to help out the podcast while upping your magnification and headlight game, you need to head over to verydentalpodcast.com/enova to see their whole line of products! -- CAD-Ray offers the best service on a wide variety of digital scanners, printers, mills and even their very own browser based design software, Clinux! CAD-Ray has been a huge supporter of the Very Dental Podcast Network and I can tell you that you’ll get no better service on everything digital dentistry than the folks from CAD-Ray. Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/CADRay!

Jun 27, 2025 • 49min
Very Dental: Dr. August de Oliveira and the Dumb Radiologist Associate
Alan welcomes back long-time friend and fellow 1997 dental school graduate, Dr. August de Oliveira. They take a trip back in time, reminiscing about the early days of the online forum Dentaltown, where Dr. de Oliveira pioneered sharing cases for critique with his "CERECs du Jour" thread. The conversation then fast-forwards to the present, focusing on the technologies impacting dentistry today. Dr. de Oliveira shares his transformative experience with Pearl AI, explaining how it has significantly boosted his practice's production by identifying more same-day dentistry and serving as an invaluable "second set of eyes" on radiographs. They also explore the hype versus reality of augmented reality, the evolution of intraoral scanners, and look ahead to future innovations like dental MRIs and Optical Coherence Tomography (OCT). Some links from the show: CERECS du jour thread on DentalTown Pearl AI Join the Very Dental Facebook group using the password "Gary," "Timmerman," Hornbrook" or "McWethy," "Papa Randy" or "Lipscomb!" The Very Dental Podcast network is and will remain free to download. If you’d like to support the shows you love at Very Dental then show a little love to the people that support us! -- Crazy Dental has everything you need from cotton rolls to equipment and everything in between and the best prices you’ll find anywhere! If you head over to verydentalpodcast.com/crazy and use coupon code “VERYDENTAL10” you’ll get another 10% off your order! Go save yourself some money and support the show all at the same time! -- The Wonderist Agency is basically a one stop shop for marketing your practice and your brand. From logo redesign to a full service marketing plan, the folks at Wonderist have you covered! Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/wonderist! -- Enova Illumination makes the very best in loupes and headlights, including their new ergonomic angled prism loupes! They also distribute loupe mounted cameras and even the amazing line of Zumax microscopes! If you want to help out the podcast while upping your magnification and headlight game, you need to head over to verydentalpodcast.com/enova to see their whole line of products! -- CAD-Ray offers the best service on a wide variety of digital scanners, printers, mills and even their very own browser based design software, Clinux! CAD-Ray has been a huge supporter of the Very Dental Podcast Network and I can tell you that you’ll get no better service on everything digital dentistry than the folks from CAD-Ray. Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/CADRay!

Jun 24, 2025 • 20min
Very Clinical: Just the Bevel! A Class IV Revelation with Dr. Clinton Timmerman
In today's throwback episode Dr. Clinton Timmerman joins the Very Clinical Podcast live from Voices of Dentistry, and he's not afraid to bust some dental myths! Prepare to have your anesthetic assumptions challenged and maybe even find out why you shouldn't offer your dentist a side of steak for their services. Plus, Clint shares a surprisingly effective pro tip for tackling those tricky Class IV restorations. Join the Very Dental Facebook group using the password "Timmerman," Hornbrook" or "McWethy," "Papa Randy," "Lipscomb" or "Gary!" Very Clinical is brought to you by Zirc Dental Products, Inc., your trusted partner in dental efficiency and organization. The Very Clinical Corner segment features Kate Reinert, LDA, an experienced dental professional passionate about helping practices achieve clinical excellence. Connect with Kate Reinert on LinkedIn: Kate Reinert, LDA Book a call with Kate: Reserve a Call Ready to upscale your team? Explore Zirc’s solutions today: zirc.com

Jun 23, 2025 • 51min
Very Dental Student: The Harland Hustle: Surviving and Thriving in Your First Years of Dentistry
In this episode, Mohamed welcomes back Dr. Kevin Harland, a recent graduate from the OU College of Dentistry, for a candid conversation about the realities of life just two years out of dental school. Dr. Harland shares a powerful personal story about his daughter's health journey, which profoundly reshaped his perspective on his career and life. He then offers invaluable advice for fourth-year dental students, covering everything from tackling board exams and the importance of gaining hands-on clinical experience to the nuances of treatment planning and material selection. Dr. Harland also discusses the benefits of joining a professional study club and shares what motivates him daily as he navigates the challenges and rewards of his growing career. A New Perspective: Dr. Harland opens up about his daughter's recent major surgery and recovery, a life-altering experience that helped him prioritize his family and find a deeper meaning in his work. Board Exam Tips: For fourth-year students, Dr. Harland advises using question banks like Bootcamp for the INBDE and getting comfortable with plastic teeth for the clinical boards, emphasizing that these exams don't define your career. Fourth-Year Focus: He recommends that fourth-year students should start thinking seriously about their desired work environment by shadowing in various practices (DSO, private practice, public health). Clinically, the focus should be on getting comfortable with the handpiece and experimenting with different materials and techniques in the safe environment of the dental school. Clinical Growth: Dr. Harland's biggest areas of growth have been in the efficiency and confidence of his handpiece skills and in the complexities of treatment planning, especially when dealing with difficult cases. Navigating Difficult Conversations: He emphasizes the importance of under-promising and over-delivering, and having honest conversations with patients about the possibility of different treatment outcomes. The Value of Community: Dr. Harland shares his positive experience with a local study club, highlighting the camaraderie and the invaluable access to a collective mind of experienced clinicians. Materials Matter: He discusses his material selection for partial and full crowns, weighing the pros and cons of materials like EMAX, Tetric CAD, and Zirconia based on the clinical situation. Daily Motivation: Dr. Harland finds motivation in providing for his family, the satisfaction of creating excellent restorations, and the positive feedback from patients who recognize his care and dedication. Join the Very Dental Facebook group using the password "Timmerman," Hornbrook" or "McWethy," "Papa Randy" or "Lipscomb!" The Very Dental Podcast network is and will remain free to download. If you’d like to support the shows you love at Very Dental then show a little love to the people that support us! -- Crazy Dental has everything you need from cotton rolls to equipment and everything in between and the best prices you’ll find anywhere! If you head over to verydentalpodcast.com/crazy and use coupon code “VERYDENTAL10” you’ll get another 10% off your order! Go save yourself some money and support the show all at the same time! -- The Wonderist Agency is basically a one stop shop for marketing your practice and your brand. From logo redesign to a full service marketing plan, the folks at Wonderist have you covered! Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/wonderist! -- Enova Illumination makes the very best in loupes and headlights, including their new ergonomic angled prism loupes! They also distribute loupe mounted cameras and even the amazing line of Zumax microscopes! If you want to help out the podcast while upping your magnification and headlight game, you need to head over to verydentalpodcast.com/enova to see their whole line of products! -- CAD-Ray offers the best service on a wide variety of digital scanners, printers, mills and even their very own browser based design software, Clinux! CAD-Ray has been a huge supporter of the Very Dental Podcast Network and I can tell you that you’ll get no better service on everything digital dentistry than the folks from CAD-Ray. Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/CADRay!

Jun 20, 2025 • 16min
Very Dental: The Sharpest Take on Burs with Max Roland of Microcopy Dental
Alan sits down with Max Roland of Microcopy Dental in a live recording from the Chicago Midwinter dental meeting! They dive into the world of dental burs, exploring why a fresh bur is always the best bur. Max shares his journey since joining Microcopy four years ago and discusses their unique, sample-focused marketing that has kept their trade show booths buzzing, even in a post-COVID world. Dr. Mead, a long-time user of Microcopy products, shares his appreciation for the guaranteed sharpness and sterility of single-use burs. The conversation takes a hilarious turn as Alan introduces the concept of a "steel man" argument, brilliantly and humorously defending the use of "mature" (i.e., old and dull) reusable burs. This is a must-listen for any dental professional who's ever faced a less-than-perfect bur. Some links from the show: Microcopy Dental Microcopy Dental's Instagram page Join the Very Dental Facebook group using the password "Gary," "Timmerman," Hornbrook" or "McWethy," "Papa Randy" or "Lipscomb!" The Very Dental Podcast network is and will remain free to download. If you’d like to support the shows you love at Very Dental then show a little love to the people that support us! -- Crazy Dental has everything you need from cotton rolls to equipment and everything in between and the best prices you’ll find anywhere! If you head over to verydentalpodcast.com/crazy and use coupon code “VERYDENTAL10” you’ll get another 10% off your order! Go save yourself some money and support the show all at the same time! -- The Wonderist Agency is basically a one stop shop for marketing your practice and your brand. From logo redesign to a full service marketing plan, the folks at Wonderist have you covered! Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/wonderist! -- Enova Illumination makes the very best in loupes and headlights, including their new ergonomic angled prism loupes! They also distribute loupe mounted cameras and even the amazing line of Zumax microscopes! If you want to help out the podcast while upping your magnification and headlight game, you need to head over to verydentalpodcast.com/enova to see their whole line of products! -- CAD-Ray offers the best service on a wide variety of digital scanners, printers, mills and even their very own browser based design software, Clinux! CAD-Ray has been a huge supporter of the Very Dental Podcast Network and I can tell you that you’ll get no better service on everything digital dentistry than the folks from CAD-Ray. Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/CADRay!

Jun 17, 2025 • 29min
Very Clinical: Porcelain or Composite Veneers with Dr. Dennis Hartlieb
Once again Kevin and Zach are live from Scottsdale, Arizona in a throwback episode from the Voices of Dentistry 2023! They welcome guest Dr. Dennis Hartlieb from Chicago, who shares his journey through dentistry, including his education at the University of Michigan. Dennis delves into his platform, Dental Online Training (DOT), discussing the hands-on, virtual training it offers to dentists and dental students. He talks about the complexities of teaching both experienced and novice practitioners and the benefits of on-demand and live virtual courses. Dennis also shares insights into his philosophy on composite veneers versus porcelain veneers, highlighting the control and patient satisfaction he sees with composite. The episode concludes with Dennis busting common dental myths and offering valuable pro tips for practitioners. Some links from the show: Dental Online Training (use code VERYDENTAL) CPR for the Worn Dentition Join the Very Dental Facebook group using the password "Timmerman," Hornbrook" or "McWethy," "Papa Randy," "Lipscomb" or "Gary!" Very Clinical is brought to you by Zirc Dental Products, Inc., your trusted partner in dental efficiency and organization. The Very Clinical Corner segment features Kate Reinert, LDA, an experienced dental professional passionate about helping practices achieve clinical excellence. Connect with Kate Reinert on LinkedIn: Kate Reinert, LDA Book a call with Kate: Reserve a Call Ready to upscale your team? Explore Zirc’s solutions today: zirc.com

Jun 16, 2025 • 44min
Very Dental Student: Rounding Third (Year) and Heading Home with Mohamed Abo-Basha
Mohamed and Al have a conversation about the highlights of Mo's third year and what he's looking forward to in his D4 year at OU's School of Dentistry! The conversation provides a reflective look back at Mohamed's third year, covering his clinical experiences, the challenges he faced, and the adjustments in requirements. They delve into the nuances of different procedures, from crown preps to endodontics, and discuss the increasing comfort and skill with anesthesia. The episode also explores the road ahead, including externships, potential job placements, and the consideration of residency programs. Mohamed shares his thoughts on the evolving systems at his school designed to make clinical cases more equitable among students and offers insights into managing patient care efficiently. Join the Very Dental Facebook group using the password "Timmerman," Hornbrook" or "McWethy," "Papa Randy" or "Lipscomb!" The Very Dental Podcast network is and will remain free to download. If you’d like to support the shows you love at Very Dental then show a little love to the people that support us! -- Crazy Dental has everything you need from cotton rolls to equipment and everything in between and the best prices you’ll find anywhere! If you head over to verydentalpodcast.com/crazy and use coupon code “VERYDENTAL10” you’ll get another 10% off your order! Go save yourself some money and support the show all at the same time! -- The Wonderist Agency is basically a one stop shop for marketing your practice and your brand. From logo redesign to a full service marketing plan, the folks at Wonderist have you covered! Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/wonderist! -- Enova Illumination makes the very best in loupes and headlights, including their new ergonomic angled prism loupes! They also distribute loupe mounted cameras and even the amazing line of Zumax microscopes! If you want to help out the podcast while upping your magnification and headlight game, you need to head over to verydentalpodcast.com/enova to see their whole line of products! -- CAD-Ray offers the best service on a wide variety of digital scanners, printers, mills and even their very own browser based design software, Clinux! CAD-Ray has been a huge supporter of the Very Dental Podcast Network and I can tell you that you’ll get no better service on everything digital dentistry than the folks from CAD-Ray. Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/CADRay!

Jun 13, 2025 • 51min
Very Dental: Practical CE and Building a Practice You Love with Dr. Graham Forbes
In this engaging dialogue, Dr. Graham Forbes, a Virginia-based dentist specializing in advanced treatment planning, shares his journey from associate to practice owner. He highlights the importance of treatment planning and the role of dental microscopes in enhancing care quality. Dr. Forbes emphasizes continuous education, sharing insights from prestigious international dental meetings. He also discusses his upcoming course on patient-centered treatment planning, aiming to reshape dental education into something immediately applicable for practitioners.