80,000 Hours Podcast

#57 – Tom Kalil on how to do the most good in government

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Apr 23, 2019
Tom Kalil, former innovation chief at Schmidt Futures and veteran of the Clinton and Obama administrations, shares his insights on effectively navigating a career in government. He discusses how individual decisions can significantly influence billions of dollars in spending and regulations. Kalil emphasizes the importance of mentorship, collaboration, and long-term thinking in achieving impactful governance. He also talks about innovative approaches to tackle education and poverty through science and technology, highlighting strategies for recruiting talent to drive meaningful change.
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ADVICE

Early Campaign Volunteering

  • Volunteer early in presidential campaigns for easier entry.
  • Leverage any existing expertise, even in niche areas like international trade, to gain an edge.
ANECDOTE

Unexpected NEC Success

  • Tom Kalil's National Economic Council interview was unexpectedly successful.
  • His tech policy knowledge impressed Bob Rubin, leading to a White House job in his late 20s.
ADVICE

Campaign Career Variance

  • Joining a presidential campaign early offers unique career opportunities, but has high variance.
  • Be prepared for your candidate to lose and adjust your expectations accordingly.
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