Kara Swisher interviews Elon Musk, discussing his rise in Silicon Valley, their changing opinions, and controversial tweets. They touch on his early years at x.com and PayPal, his political views, and his behaviors on Twitter. The episode also includes discussions on Mark Zuckerberg's isolation and an advertisement for Mint Mobile.
The podcast explores the shift in public perception and coverage of Elon Musk, reflecting on a 20-year reporting relationship and the changing dynamics.
The podcast delves into Elon Musk's complex relationship with the media, highlighting his sensitivity to criticism and his use of social media to express his thoughts and opinions.
The podcast examines the unique challenges faced by journalists covering Elon Musk, emphasizing the difficulty of providing balanced and objective coverage while navigating personal attacks or disagreements.
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Elon Musk's evolving public image
The podcast explores the shift in public perception and coverage of Elon Musk over time. The speaker reflects on a 20-year reporting relationship with Musk and the changing dynamics. They discuss the transition from being supportive to less supportive, and question whether the change is due to Elon, the reporter, or changing circumstances. The speaker emphasizes the importance of providing honest and critical feedback while acknowledging Elon's visionary ideas and passion for big issues like electric cars and space exploration. The speaker also highlights Elon's tendency to be sensitive to criticism and his extensive use of social media, particularly Twitter, to express his thoughts and opinions.
Elon Musk's controversial relationship with the press
The podcast delves into Elon Musk's complex relationship with the media. The speaker shares personal experiences interviewing Musk, including instances where he became defensive and threatened to end the interviews. They discuss Musk's tendency to push back against press criticism and his belief in his own data and reasoning. The speaker highlights that Musk is driven by a desire to make a significant impact on the world, but sometimes struggles with handling negative coverage. They also explore Musk's use of social media as a platform to directly communicate with the public, rally support, and respond to critics.
The challenges of covering Elon Musk
The podcast examines the unique challenges faced by journalists covering Elon Musk. The speaker shares anecdotes about their own interactions with Musk and explains the difficulty of balancing support and criticism in reporting. They highlight Musk's emotional nature and the intensity he brings to his various ventures, noting his genuine belief in the importance of his work. The speaker acknowledges Musk's ability to captivate audiences and attract a loyal following, but also emphasizes the need to provide balanced and objective coverage, even in the face of personal attacks or disagreements.
Elon Musk's Contradictory Statements on US Elections
During an interview in 2016, Elon Musk expressed his reluctance to publicly back any US presidential candidate, stating that it was not a shining moment for democracy. He felt that as one person, he couldn't have a significant impact on the outcome. However, he later attended a meeting with President Trump and joined his economic council advisory board. Musk had reservations about Trump's immigration policies and treatment of the LGBTQ+ community, and he engaged in conversations with Trump about these concerns. Despite disagreements, Musk believed he could make a difference by voicing his opinions and advocating for change.
The Twitter Controversies and Legacy of Elon Musk
Elon Musk's use of Twitter drew both admiration and criticism. He was known for his bold and often provocative tweets, ranging from highly optimistic statements about companies like Tesla and SpaceX to engaging in public spats and making controversial remarks. Musk's tweets frequently made headlines, but they also faced backlash for spreading misinformation, engaging in personal attacks, and promoting harmful stereotypes. Critics argued that his behavior on Twitter undermined the influence and potential positive impact he could have with his entrepreneurial ventures. The column written by Kara Swisher referred to Musk's Twitter habits as the "id of tech," with his desires and needs being transparent and on full display for everyone to see, for better or worse. Despite his Twitter controversies, Musk's lasting legacy is likely to be tied to his innovative companies, such as Tesla and SpaceX, which have made significant advancements in the automotive and space industries.
This Labor Day, we are re airing a fan-favorite episode about, who else, Elon Musk and Kara Swisher. Nayeema interviews Kara — who’s covered Musk since the late 90s. We’ll unpack how Elon became Elon, why Kara came to believe he was one of the greatest visionaries in Silicon Valley, when exactly she soured on him — and why she still holds out some hope. If you’re not sick of Elon by the end of this episode, you may also want to listen to our conversations with Elon biographer Walter Isaacson, former Twitter employee Yoel Roth and journalists Bill Cohan and Ronan Farrow.
You can find Kara and Nayeema on Instagram/Threads @karaswisher and @nayeemaraza.