In this engaging conversation, John McWhorter, a Columbia University linguist and New York Times columnist known for his works on race and culture, explores the evolving landscape of wokeness and its impact on society. He argues for the decline of politically correct practices and the shifting dynamics in academia and the arts. McWhorter shares insights from his forthcoming book, 'Pronoun Trouble,' and discusses the complexities of identity politics, the emotional toll of affirmative action, and the importance of cultural mixing in today's discourse.
John McWhorter critiques contemporary anti-racism as a detrimental ideology that suppresses free expression and promotes punitive actions.
He advocates for a reevaluation of affirmative action policies, suggesting a socio-economic focus to enhance equity in today's society.
Deep dives
The Impact of Woke Racism
The discussion centers around John McWhorter's 2021 publication, which critiques contemporary anti-racism as a movement that undermines free expression and social progress. He argues that this ideological framework has become akin to a new religion that prioritizes punitive action over constructive dialogue. McWhorter reflects on how figures championing wokeness, such as Ibram X. Kendi and Robin DiAngelo, have lost their stature in public discourse, suggesting a shift in societal sentiment regarding their ideas. Despite this decline, he insists that elements of wokeness still persist, signaling an ongoing need for vigilant discourse.
Cultural Shifts in Academia and the Arts
The conversation highlights the challenges faced in academia and the arts as remnants of wokism continue to influence institutional narratives. McWhorter notes a transition where, although unnecessary firings and social shaming have diminished since their peak in 2021, the ideological undercurrents still shape artistic expression. He observes that many cultural institutions grapple with balancing the promotion of diversity while maintaining artistic integrity. McWhorter expresses a hope for a return to humor and open discussion within creative spaces, where the arts can mock societal absurdities rather than solely focusing on oppression.
Affirmative Action and Social Equity
McWhorter reflects on his personal experiences with affirmative action, calling for a reevaluation of such policies in today's context. He argues that while race-based preferences served a purpose in the past, the overextension of these measures has led to a counterproductive environment. He advocates for a shift towards socio-economic considerations in affirmative action, suggesting a more equitable approach to opportunity that aligns better with current societal needs. By establishing clear timeframes for such policies, he believes we can foster a society where merit prevails without overlooking historical injustices.
The Role of Language in Gender Identity
The upcoming book, 'Pronoun Trouble,' addresses the evolution of pronouns in English and their significance in discussions around gender identity. McWhorter delves into how societal changes necessitate a more adaptable understanding of language, particularly regarding gender-neutral pronouns like 'they.' He details the challenges of integrating new terminology into everyday use, especially among different age demographics, where younger individuals may embrace such changes more readily. Through this book, McWhorter aims to illuminate the complexities of language use while also celebrating its rich history and ongoing evolution.
McWhorter talks with Reason's Nick Gillespie about how far we've come since 2021—and whether we are entering a new era of open debate and cultural possibilities. They also discuss the apparent end of diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) programs, McWhorter's own experience with affirmative action over his decades in academia, and his forthcoming book Pronoun Trouble: The Story of Us in Seven Little Words, which comes out in April.
0:00—Introduction 1:10—The "woke racism" recession 7:01—The arts and academia are still "woke" 11:30—Donald Trump's attacks on DEI 16:40—Individuals vs. groups 18:24—The emotional cost of affirmative action 20:05—The immaturity of the "woke right" 21:46—McWhorter's political identity 27:20—Attitude shifts about race and class 32:27—TV got better, movies got worse 36:10—McWhorter's new book, Pronoun Trouble 41:51—They is a pretty good gender-neutral pronoun 44:57—Mixing high and low culture
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