The Dishcast with Andrew Sullivan

Michael Lewis On DOGE's Victims

Mar 14, 2025
Michael Lewis, bestselling author of engaging nonfiction works like Liar's Poker and Moneyball, dives deep into the challenges faced by government workers. He discusses the damaging effects of DOGE on effective programs and sheds light on public servants who prioritize service over higher pay. With captivating stories, Lewis debunks misconceptions about fraud in government and emphasizes the critical role of civil servants amidst political inefficiencies. His insights reveal a stark contrast between the needs of public service and the whims of political narratives.
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INSIGHT

A Timely Book

  • Michael Lewis, known for timely books, has written "Who is Government?".
  • The book features essays profiling often-overlooked public servants.
ANECDOTE

Finding Chris Mark

  • Michael Lewis found compelling government worker stories easily, just as he did while writing "The Fifth Risk".
  • He found a former coal miner, Chris Mark, who revolutionized mine safety.
ANECDOTE

The Marks, Father and Son

  • Chris Mark's father was an expert on Gothic cathedral roof stability.
  • Chris rebelled, became a coal miner, and dedicated his career to mine safety, mirroring his father's work.
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