Desolation Tries to Colonize You: Jeff VanderMeer and Alison Sperling (CH)
Oct 5, 2023
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Writer Jeff VanderMeer and scholar Alison Sperling discuss the evolution of weird fiction, nature writing, nonhuman intelligence perception, and Florida zoning issues. They explore the New Weird movement, unconventional storytelling techniques, and the intersection of weird fiction with climate change and environmental justice. Additionally, they touch on government bureaucracy, penguin researchers, and the limits of human understanding in perceiving animal intelligence.
The New Weird genre embraces experimentation and unconventional narratives, distinct from traditional weird fiction.
Weird fiction intertwines ecological themes with fantastical elements, emphasizing non-anthropomorphic perspectives and the strange beauty of nature.
Deep dives
Defining the New Weird
The New Weird is explored in this episode, highlighting its distinction from traditional weird fiction. Jeff Vandermeer discusses the appeal of the weird as a genre that grapples with the unknown and offers stories that are open-ended and non-traditional plot-wise, encouraging experimentation and unconventional narratives.
Weird Fiction and Experimentalism
The episode delves into the relationship between the weird and experimentalism in writing. Jeff Vandermeer reflects on how the weird allows for experimental techniques to blend seamlessly into familiar tropes, making them less overtly experimental. The discussion touches on the fusion of unconventional narrative styles with fantastical elements, creating a unique storytelling experience.
Weird Ecology and Science
The podcast explores the intersection of weird fiction with ecological themes. Jeff Vandermeer ties his narratives to ecological frameworks, emphasizing the blend of the strange and beautiful in nature. The conversation delves into the contrast between human-centric scientific perspectives and the need to embrace non-anthropomorphic viewpoints in understanding the environment.
Political Dimensions of the New Weird
The episode examines the political undertones of the new weird genre, focusing on its departure from older weird fiction elements such as cosmic horror. Jeff Vandermeer discusses how the new weird narrative de-familiarizes social, racial, and environmental norms, aiming for justice-oriented messages. The conversation suggests a punk and decadent aesthetic intertwined with lush prose, creating a radical and immersive storytelling experience.
Our season of the weird starts off with a conversation between the writer TheNew Yorker called “the weird Thoreau”, Jeff VanderMeer, and a scholar of the modernist weird, Alison Sperling (FSU). With ND host Chris Holmes, Jeff and Alison delve into how the ugly politics of Lovecraft’s “old” weird gives rise to the stylistic panoply of the New Weird movement. Jeff discusses the ways in which nature writing's sublime and ecstatic moments are their own category of the weird. The three consider ways to represent unrepresentable species, the limits of human intelligence in perceiving animal intelligence, the nonhuman narrative perspective, and the infinite weirdness of government bureaucracy. Along the way, Alison and Jeff dig into the “Florida man” trope and investigate Jeff’s attempts to outwit Florida zoning to re-wild his backyard with native plants. And if you harbor any suspicions about the temperaments of penguin researchers, you won’t want to miss Jeff’s answer to this season’s signature question.
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