
The Unstuck Church Podcast with Amy Anderson Scaling Up Your Systems - Episode 423
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Nov 19, 2025 Many churches struggle with outdated systems that hinder growth. Key systems like guest follow-up and volunteer management often fail as churches expand. Understanding the difference between system issues and leadership problems is crucial. Recommendations include dedicating time to reassess systems and shifting responsibilities from technician to manager. Successful examples from Orchard Church showcase how redesigning processes can boost participation. Practical steps involve automating tasks and aligning systems with mission, ensuring churches can thrive sustainably.
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Growth Outgrows Old Systems
- Churches often outgrow systems without realizing it as scale and complexity increase.
- Systems that worked at 500 won't necessarily work at 1,000 or 5,000 people.
Diagnose System Vs. Leadership Failure
- If people want to do the right thing but can't, fix the system; if they can but won't, address leadership.
- Build systems that are simple, clear, and repeatable so people act without constant direction.
Systems Are Biblically Normal
- Churches often avoid systems thinking because they see it as unspiritual or unnecessary.
- Scripture itself shows God and leaders using systems for order and multiplication.





