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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
319. Detransition: The Wounds that Won't Heal | Chloe Cole
Jan 3, 2023
02:05:01
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- Chloe faced societal challenges during her transition, struggling to find acceptance and facing ostracization from peers.
- Transitioning led to a fractured sense of self for Chloe, causing an unsettling disconnect from her true identity.
- The sexual undertone to Chloe's transition fantasies, including a fascination with being male, complicated her journey and understanding of her identity.
- Misled by professionals, Chloe's parents faced the daunting choice of medical transition for their daughter, leading to lasting complications and unanswered questions.
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Social Challenges and Exclusion
Chloe faced social challenges and ostracization as she transitioned. Despite a desire for self-confidence and independence, peers were unkind and she struggled to find acceptance amongst her classmates.
Illusions of Transformation and Sense of Self
Chloe believed transitioning to a boy would fulfill a vision of strength and confidence. However, the process fractured her sense of self, leading to complications and an unsettling disconnect from her true identity.
Sexual and Emotional Motivations
Amid desires for physical changes through testosterone, there was a sexual undertone to Chloe's transition fantasies. The sexual component, including a fascination with being male, complicates her journey and understanding of her identity.
Misinformation and Medical Decisions
Misled by professionals, Chloe's parents navigated the daunting choice of medical transition for their young daughter. The lack of thorough therapeutic exploration and idealization of transition options left her with lasting complications and unanswered questions.
Effects of Testosterone Treatment and Hormonal Changes
Taking hormones led to physical changes and behavioral shifts, including increased confidence, competitiveness, and libido. These changes resulted in addiction to porn and an unhealthy relationship with body image and sexuality. The individual experienced difficulties with social interactions and dating due to a mix of the hormonal effects and societal pressures.
Physical and Emotional Consequences of Transitioning and Detransitioning
The individual underwent a double mastectomy as part of transitioning and faced physical and emotional challenges post-surgery. They discussed experiencing regret, insecurities, and complications, including sexual dysfunction and urinary tract issues. Following the detransition, they faced isolation, loss of friends, and legal proceedings against healthcare providers and the surgical team.
Legal Action and Personal Journey
The individual decided to take legal action against healthcare providers due to the lack of comprehensive consent forms, inadequate information, and harmful consequences of the transition process. They expressed the emotional and physical toll of the experience, including regret, isolation, and ongoing challenges post-surgery. Despite facing backlash and loss of friends, they continued to speak out and seek justice for their experiences.
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Dr Jordan B Peterson sits down with 18 year old de-transitioner Chloe Cole. Chloe was indoctrinated, affirmed, and set on an irreparable path at the age of 15, and now finds herself abandoned by the community and the doctors that lead her over the edge.
Chloe Cole is an 18 year old de-transitioner from The Central Valley of California. She started her transition at 12 years old, puberty blockers and testosterone at 13 and a double mastectomy at 15 years old. She is now a strong advocate against gender ideology.
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For Chloe Cole:
Chloe Cole on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ChoooCole
Chloe Cole on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chooocole/?hl=en
Chloe Cole on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@ChoooCole
Help support Chloe on Donorbox: https://donorbox.org/chloe-cole
- Chapters -
(0:00) Coming Up
(1:00) Chloe's story, the beginning
(1:57) Early puberty, negative emotion across gender
(7:24) On the spectrum, the tomboy
(9:00) Puberty, expectations and the shock of reality
(10:35) Manifestations of negative emotion
(14:30) Gender dysphoria, key traits
(16:30) Ken Sucker, leaving kids alone
(18:00) Homosexual attraction
(21:30) Mentality, creativity, early interests
(25:00) Image orientation, social media
(27:00) Feminist ideology, the dread of womanhood
(30:00) Negative emotion levels, societal hierarchies
(32:50) Burying maternal instinct, the non-binary wave
(35:10) Lacking community, the draw of LGBT+
(38:48) Alternative pathways, therapy and deception
(42:00) How therapy is supposed to work, the three questions
(47:30) So-called therapy, affirming care
(51:00) Flat out lies, “less than 3 percent regret rates”
(53:00) Parents coerced
(55:05) Speedy approvals for affirming procedures
(57:08) Mentality through transition, 8th grade
(1:00:00) Radical change over practical steps
(1:03:50) Fractured sense of self, sexualization
(1:06:00) Autogynephilia, fact of the fantasy
(1:10:15) Androgens, testosterone, porn addiction
(1:12:00) Complete disorientation, online dating
(1:14:00) Effects over time, mental and physical effects
(1:15:25) 15 years old, sexual assault, re-affirming
(1:19:45) Chest binders, further steps towards the edge
(1:21:00) Double mastectomy, “part of the process”
(1:24:25) Suicide, medication and intense depression
(1:27:00) Flocking toward surgery, pushed across age groups
(1:28:50) Breast deformity, justification and denial
(1:30:00) Sexualization by doctors
(1:33:00) Removal of stitches, aftermath and horror
(1:35:00) Regrowing nerve endings, mismatched feeling
(1:36:10) Return of feminine characteristics
(1:39:00) Tiffany fields, crucial contact
(1:40:35) Regret, shame, the illusion breaks
(1:44:00) 16, desire for motherhood
(1:46:00) Play, chimpanzees and comparable gender affiliation
(1:49:00) De-transitioning, lack of guidance
(1:51:45) Hypocrisy in patient-led treatment
(1:52:30) When the community turns on you
(1:54:40) Core of Chloe's claim, malpractice and negligence
(1:57:30) Lasting complications
(2:00:00) The legal front, upcoming battle
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