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319. Detransition: The Wounds that Won't Heal | Chloe Cole

Jan 3, 2023

Chloe Cole, an 18-year-old detransitioner and advocate against gender ideology, shares her compelling story after being medically transitioned at just 12. She discusses the emotional scars and societal pressures she faced, alongside the challenges of finding community and identity. Chloe sheds light on the psychological implications of gender dysphoria and critiques the medical practices surrounding youth transitions. Her journey emphasizes the need for accountability in healthcare and the importance of informed consent in medical decisions.

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Chloe faced societal challenges during her transition, struggling to find acceptance and facing ostracization from peers.

Transitioning led to a fractured sense of self for Chloe, causing an unsettling disconnect from her true identity.

The sexual undertone to Chloe's transition fantasies, including a fascination with being male, complicated her journey and understanding of her identity.

Misled by professionals, Chloe's parents faced the daunting choice of medical transition for their daughter, leading to lasting complications and unanswered questions.

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Social Challenges and Exclusion

Chloe faced social challenges and ostracization as she transitioned. Despite a desire for self-confidence and independence, peers were unkind and she struggled to find acceptance amongst her classmates.

The Importance of Long-Term Studies on Gender Dysphoria in Children

01:30

The Evolution of Threat Sensitivity in Women

01:21

Exploring Problems Deeply in Therapy

01:29

Questioning Assumptions on Gender Transition and Mental Health

01:55

Intro

2min

Navigating Identity: The Challenges of Gender and Autism in Adolescence

22min

Exploring Creativity and Identity in Therapy

2min

Navigating Body Image and Gender Identity

24min

Navigating Gender Identity and Transition

21min

Navigating Hormonal Changes and Personal Challenges

9min

Navigating Identity and the Journey Towards Transition

2min

Navigating Identity and Transition

23min

The Clash Between Career Aspirations and Maternal Desires

2min

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Exploring Childhood Play and Identity Development

2min

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Navigating Detransition: A Personal Journey

11min

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Navigating Trauma and Accountability in Healthcare Decisions

4min

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Dr Jordan B Peterson sits down with 18 year old de-transitioner Chloe Cole. Chloe was indoctrinated, affirmed, and set on an irreparable path at the age of 15, and now finds herself abandoned by the community and the doctors that lead her over the edge.

Chloe Cole is an 18 year old de-transitioner from The Central Valley of California. She started her transition at 12 years old, puberty blockers and testosterone at 13 and a double mastectomy at 15 years old. She is now a strong advocate against gender ideology.

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(0:00) Coming Up

(1:00) Chloe's story, the beginning

(1:57) Early puberty, negative emotion across gender

(7:24) On the spectrum, the tomboy

(9:00) Puberty, expectations and the shock of reality

(10:35) Manifestations of negative emotion

(14:30) Gender dysphoria, key traits

(16:30) Ken Sucker, leaving kids alone

(18:00) Homosexual attraction

(21:30) Mentality, creativity, early interests

(25:00) Image orientation, social media

(27:00) Feminist ideology, the dread of womanhood

(30:00) Negative emotion levels, societal hierarchies

(32:50) Burying maternal instinct, the non-binary wave

(35:10) Lacking community, the draw of LGBT+

(38:48) Alternative pathways, therapy and deception

(42:00) How therapy is supposed to work, the three questions

(47:30) So-called therapy, affirming care

(51:00) Flat out lies, “less than 3 percent regret rates”

(53:00) Parents coerced

(55:05) Speedy approvals for affirming procedures

(57:08) Mentality through transition, 8th grade

(1:00:00) Radical change over practical steps

(1:03:50) Fractured sense of self, sexualization

(1:06:00) Autogynephilia, fact of the fantasy

(1:10:15) Androgens, testosterone, porn addiction

(1:12:00) Complete disorientation, online dating

(1:14:00) Effects over time, mental and physical effects

(1:15:25) 15 years old, sexual assault, re-affirming

(1:19:45) Chest binders, further steps towards the edge

(1:21:00) Double mastectomy, “part of the process”

(1:24:25) Suicide, medication and intense depression

(1:27:00) Flocking toward surgery, pushed across age groups

(1:28:50) Breast deformity, justification and denial

(1:30:00) Sexualization by doctors

(1:33:00) Removal of stitches, aftermath and horror

(1:35:00) Regrowing nerve endings, mismatched feeling

(1:36:10) Return of feminine characteristics

(1:39:00) Tiffany fields, crucial contact

(1:40:35) Regret, shame, the illusion breaks

(1:44:00) 16, desire for motherhood

(1:46:00) Play, chimpanzees and comparable gender affiliation

(1:49:00) De-transitioning, lack of guidance

(1:51:45) Hypocrisy in patient-led treatment

(1:52:30) When the community turns on you

(1:54:40) Core of Chloe's claim, malpractice and negligence

(1:57:30) Lasting complications

(2:00:00) The legal front, upcoming battle

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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

319. Detransition: The Wounds that Won't Heal | Chloe Cole

Episode guests

Podcast summary created with Snipd AI

Quick takeaways

Deep dives

Social Challenges and Exclusion

Illusions of Transformation and Sense of Self

Sexual and Emotional Motivations

Misinformation and Medical Decisions

Effects of Testosterone Treatment and Hormonal Changes

Physical and Emotional Consequences of Transitioning and Detransitioning

Legal Action and Personal Journey

The Importance of Long-Term Studies on Gender Dysphoria in Children

The Evolution of Threat Sensitivity in Women

Exploring Problems Deeply in Therapy

Questioning Assumptions on Gender Transition and Mental Health

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