319. Detransition: The Wounds that Won't Heal | Chloe Cole
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Exploring Creativity and Identity in Therapy
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Dr Jordan B Peterson sits down with 18 year old de-transitioner Chloe Cole. Chloe was indoctrinated, affirmed, and set on an irreparable path at the age of 15, and now finds herself abandoned by the community and the doctors that lead her over the edge.
Chloe Cole is an 18 year old de-transitioner from The Central Valley of California. She started her transition at 12 years old, puberty blockers and testosterone at 13 and a double mastectomy at 15 years old. She is now a strong advocate against gender ideology.
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Chloe Cole on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ChoooCole
Chloe Cole on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chooocole/?hl=en
Chloe Cole on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@ChoooCole
Help support Chloe on Donorbox: https://donorbox.org/chloe-cole
- Chapters -
(0:00) Coming Up
(1:00) Chloe's story, the beginning
(1:57) Early puberty, negative emotion across gender
(7:24) On the spectrum, the tomboy
(9:00) Puberty, expectations and the shock of reality
(10:35) Manifestations of negative emotion
(14:30) Gender dysphoria, key traits
(16:30) Ken Sucker, leaving kids alone
(18:00) Homosexual attraction
(21:30) Mentality, creativity, early interests
(25:00) Image orientation, social media
(27:00) Feminist ideology, the dread of womanhood
(30:00) Negative emotion levels, societal hierarchies
(32:50) Burying maternal instinct, the non-binary wave
(35:10) Lacking community, the draw of LGBT+
(38:48) Alternative pathways, therapy and deception
(42:00) How therapy is supposed to work, the three questions
(47:30) So-called therapy, affirming care
(51:00) Flat out lies, “less than 3 percent regret rates”
(53:00) Parents coerced
(55:05) Speedy approvals for affirming procedures
(57:08) Mentality through transition, 8th grade
(1:00:00) Radical change over practical steps
(1:03:50) Fractured sense of self, sexualization
(1:06:00) Autogynephilia, fact of the fantasy
(1:10:15) Androgens, testosterone, porn addiction
(1:12:00) Complete disorientation, online dating
(1:14:00) Effects over time, mental and physical effects
(1:15:25) 15 years old, sexual assault, re-affirming
(1:19:45) Chest binders, further steps towards the edge
(1:21:00) Double mastectomy, “part of the process”
(1:24:25) Suicide, medication and intense depression
(1:27:00) Flocking toward surgery, pushed across age groups
(1:28:50) Breast deformity, justification and denial
(1:30:00) Sexualization by doctors
(1:33:00) Removal of stitches, aftermath and horror
(1:35:00) Regrowing nerve endings, mismatched feeling
(1:36:10) Return of feminine characteristics
(1:39:00) Tiffany fields, crucial contact
(1:40:35) Regret, shame, the illusion breaks
(1:44:00) 16, desire for motherhood
(1:46:00) Play, chimpanzees and comparable gender affiliation
(1:49:00) De-transitioning, lack of guidance
(1:51:45) Hypocrisy in patient-led treatment
(1:52:30) When the community turns on you
(1:54:40) Core of Chloe's claim, malpractice and negligence
(1:57:30) Lasting complications
(2:00:00) The legal front, upcoming battle
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