The State of Software Engineering — with Kent Beck
Feb 16, 2024
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Kent Beck, original signer of the Agile manifesto, creator of Extreme Programming, and all-round programming legend, discusses the state of software engineering today, including topics such as agile vs power structures, the return of waterfall, extreme programming & TDD, feedback loops, code reviews & stacked diffs, and AI for writing and engineering.
Agile has been co-opted by the power structure, resulting in a return to the status quo.
Psychological safety and short feedback loops are crucial in Agile for open communication and adaptability.
Deep dives
The Co-opting of Agile by the Power Structure
Agile was initially seen as a threat to the power structure, but it was eventually co-opted. The power structure allowed certain individuals to continue extracting value while others were left with crumbs. This co-opting of Agile has resulted in a return to the status quo.
The Importance of Psychological Safety and Feedback Loops
The podcast explores the significance of psychological safety and the need for short feedback loops in Agile. Psychological safety allows for open communication and encourages individuals to take ownership of their work. Short feedback loops enable teams to quickly adapt and make improvements.
Different Approaches to Agile at Various Company Stages
The podcast discusses how different companies take different approaches to implementing Agile based on their specific stage. Startups may naturally embrace Agile principles, while larger tech companies may struggle to navigate its implementation. Each company must find a balance between business needs and Agile values.
Challenges and Opportunities Presented by AI in Software Development
The podcast delves into the challenges and opportunities posed by AI in software development. AI-driven models such as ChatGPT are transforming the way code is generated and tested. While there are questions about how to integrate AI into existing workflows like TDD, it holds potential for enhancing productivity and impacting the future of coding.
Today’s guest is Kent Beck, original signer of the Agile manifesto, creator of Extreme Programming, and all-round programming legend.
With Kent we had the unique opportunity to talk about the big picture. I inquired him about the state of the software engineering craft today, discussing things like:
(00:00) Introduction
(02:27) Agile vs Power Structures
(08:37) The Return of Waterfall
(12:33) Extreme Programming & TDD
(23:29) Feedback Loops
(33:46) Code Reviews & Stacked diffs
(43:06) AI for Writing and Engineering