

Austin Kleon on Fueling Artistic Ambition
Sunrise Dilemma
- Ryan Holiday experienced a beautiful sunrise while swimming but questioned whether to capture it or stay present.
- He chose to keep swimming, prioritizing the experience over the photo.
Savor the Moment
- Austin Kleon suggests we shouldn't interrupt experiences to capture them, as observation changes the experience.
- He suggests savoring a moment instead of trying to preserve it if the idea isn't crucial.
Audiobook Limitations
- Austin Kleon listened to C.S. Lewis's autobiography while driving.
- He found it difficult to "underline" key passages, highlighting a drawback of audiobooks.






































Austin Kleon joins Ryan to talk about unleashing creative energy, the power of hobbies, and why he believes we’ve been trained to be machine-like in today’s world. Austin talks about the driving force behind ambition, the culture of "cheap talk," and much more.
Austin Kleon is a writer, author, artist, speaker, and blogger. He is most known for his five New York Times bestselling books Steal Like An Artist:10 Things Nobody Told You About Being Creative, Show Your Work!, Keep Going, Steal Like An Artist Journal, and Newspaper Blackout.
You can follow his work at austinkleon.com, Instagram @austinkleon, and Twitter @austinkleon.
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