The Times wind tunnel has been wreaking havoc, but Jane M and Fi have made it in one piece. They discuss the Pope, postcard bunting, and cold water swimming.

Plus, peace-building practitioner and best-selling debut author Nussaibah Younis joins them to talk about her book 'Fundamentally'.

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