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Catholic Science Fiction w/ M. R. Leonard | 2 To Ramble #290

Dec 12, 2025
M. R. Leonard, author of the debut novel "Pilgrims," dives into the intriguing world of Catholic aliens and discusses the book's origins, influenced by childhood catechism and contemporary media. He shares insights into treating writing like a business, stressing the importance of professional discipline. The conversation also explores themes like originality, genre boundaries in sci-fi, and the moral complexities of pilgrim culture. Leonard's unique approach to storytelling and character development, echoing Augustine's Confessions, adds depth to the narrative.
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ADVICE

Treat Your Book Like A Business

  • Treat publishing like a professional business and plan formats and channels in advance.
  • Do outreach to reviewers and audiobook producers to increase discoverability and reach.
ANECDOTE

How He Landed Jeff Hayes

  • M.R. Leonard cold-emailed Jeff Hayes after Reddit and fan recommendations and kept pushing.
  • Hayes agreed to a royalty-share narration deal because he loved the premise "Catholic aliens."
INSIGHT

Religion Is Underexplored In Sci‑Fi

  • Sci-fi often treats religion shallowly due to historical editorial trends, leaving a gap for deeper treatment.
  • Leonard believes Pilgrims offers one of the most realistic first-contact portrayals in the canon.
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