Israel-Hamas at war: Israel 'has lost the moral high ground', says NRC Secretary General, Jan Egeland
Jan 29, 2024
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Jan Egeland, NRC Secretary General, discusses the Israel-Gaza conflict, highlighting the civilian carnage in Gaza and the hypocrisy of Western governments. He explores the conditions and background of the Oslo Accords and compares the current conflict with a historical one. The lack of desire for the peace process and the conflict's ripple effects on Yemen are also explored.
The podcast emphasizes the need to view the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in Gaza and the occupation in eastern Ukraine with consistency, recognizing the asymmetrical nature and calling out industrial hypocrisy.
The Israeli government has lost the moral high ground due to their indiscriminate bombardment in Gaza, resulting in the erosion of moral authority and global criticism.
Deep dives
Occupation and siege in Ukraine and West Bank
The podcast highlights the importance of viewing the occupation in eastern Ukraine and the siege in the West Bank from a perspective of consistency, arguing that if occupation and siege are considered wrong in one place, they should be considered wrong in the other. The speaker emphasizes the need to avoid industrial hypocrisy and calls for recognition of the asymmetrical nature of the conflict, with one side being occupied and the other being the occupier. The discussion brings attention to the power dynamics, weak leadership, and the impact of external support on the conflict, emphasizing the complexity and difficulties of finding a resolution.
Loss of moral high ground
The podcast delves into the loss of moral high ground by the Israeli government, discussing the initial sympathy and solidarity expressed after attacks on October 7th. However, it argues that Israel's response to the conflict in Gaza has resulted in a loss of moral high ground due to the indiscriminate bombardment and the impact on civilians. The podcast challenges the Israeli justification for their actions and suggests that engaging in widespread violence has led to the erosion of moral authority and generated strong criticism globally.
Challenges in achieving peace and role of international actors
The podcast explores the challenges in achieving peace between Israel and Palestine, highlighting the split and weak leadership on the Palestinian side and the right-wing government in Israel. It suggests that Norwegian mediation, which played a role in the Oslo Accords, may not be viable anymore due to lack of neutrality. The podcast emphasizes the need for international actors, particularly the United States, the European Union, and the United Kingdom, to push for a peace process and condemn the occupation, settlements, and atrocities. It underscores the urgency of finding a solution to avoid recurring cycles of violence and the potential escalation of conflict across the Middle East.
In the 110 days since the war started, over 25,000 Palestinians have been killed in Israel's offensive on Gaza, prompting the charity Oxfam to describe it as the ‘deadliest conflict of the 21st century’. It follows the October 7 attacks by Hamas that saw 1,200 people killed and around 240 taken hostage in Israel. There is huge pressure internationally for a new ceasefire and hostage release deal to alleviate the suffering of Palestinian civilians in Gaza and the remaining Israeli hostages held by Hamas.
In this episode of The Fourcast we speak with Jan Egeland, a former diplomat who helped draw up the 1993 peace agreements between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization, the Oslo Accords.
Egeland, who is now the Secretary General of the Norwegian Refugee Council, tells Krishnan Guru-Murthy that the scale of civilian carnage in Gaza makes it clear that this is not a conflict between equals. He also looks at the ‘hypocritical’ position of many Western governments who have been quick to call out Russia’s aggression on Ukraine but are not doing the same with Israel’s attacks on Palestine, and looks at how the conflict could worsen going forward if a two-state solution is not reached.
Produced by Shaheen Sattar and Alice Wagstaffe
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