Design Systems Podcast 135. The Infrastructure Behind Digital Production: A Conversation with Steve Dodier-Lazaro
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Jul 8, 2025 
Steve Dodier-Lazaro, a freelance software engineer specializing in design systems, dives into the foundational role of design systems in digital product creation. He stresses that viewing design systems as dependencies rather than deliverables can enhance collaboration. The discussion highlights the intersection of AI with design and engineering, indicating its potential to streamline workflows. Additionally, Steve shares insights on the evolution of version control and the necessity for open-source collaboration to foster innovation in digital production.
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Steve's Entry into Design Systems
- Steve Dodier-Lazaro joined a team building software for chemists and biologists where he combined UX and front-end engineering roles.
- This experience naturally led him into design systems as both product and process evolved in that context.
Design Systems as Infrastructure
- Design systems should be seen as infrastructure, creating dependencies rather than standalone products.
- This means teams must be dependable to maintain them as critical parts of the production chain.
Value in Sharing Tools
- Sharing design system tools and patterns across organizations can unlock more value for the community.
- Engineers often hesitate to share tools fearing organizational specificity, but common patterns can benefit many.
