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E137: AI Safety vs Speed: Helen Toner Discusses OpenAI Board Experience, Regulatory Approaches, and Military AI [The Cognitive Revolution]

Apr 24, 2025
Helen Toner, Director at CSET and AI policy expert, shares her insights on the pressing issues surrounding AI development. She highlights the importance of regulatory frameworks and adaptation buffers as society navigates rapid technological changes. The discussion delves into the ethical complexities of AI in military contexts, particularly regarding U.S.-China relations. Toner also sheds light on the need for transparency and the challenges of balancing safety with innovation, emphasizing the significant implications for national security.
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ANECDOTE

Helen Toner's OpenAI Board Story

  • Helen Toner joined OpenAI's board in 2021 after years of engagement with AI policy and strategy.
  • Her expertise in AI, China, and national security made her a valuable early board member.
ADVICE

Clear Whistleblowing Rules Needed

  • Policymakers should establish clear disclosure rules to guide whistleblowing in AI companies.
  • Clear standards ease whistleblowing and protect trade secrets, balancing safety and transparency.
ADVICE

Tech Workers Should Act Early

  • AI company employees hold powerful positions during rapid automation phases.
  • They should consider acting early if concerned, as their future influence may diminish.
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