Lawfare Archive: Gregory Johnsen Answers "What is a Houthi?"
Jan 13, 2024
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Gregory Johnsen, writer-at-large for Buzzfeed News and doctoral candidate at Princeton University, discusses the current state of play in Yemen, clarifying that the war shouldn't be viewed as just another Sunni-Shia fight. He outlines the events that led to the Saudi intervention and whether Yemen can ever be put back together again. The podcast also delves into the conflicts between various groups, the extensive airstrikes by the Saudi-led coalition, and the rise of ISIS and religious radicalization in Yemen.
The conflict in Yemen is driven by political and local factors, not just a Sunni-Shia dispute.
Yemen is experiencing increasing fragmentation, with different factions and groups contributing to the country's division.
Deep dives
Overview of the conflict in Yemen
The podcast episode provides an overview of the ongoing conflict in Yemen. It explains that there is a Saudi-led coalition fighting against Houthi rebels, also known as Ansar Allah, in Yemen. The coalition, which includes the United States and other Gulf Cooperation Council countries, is supporting the internationally recognized government of President Hadi. It also mentions the presence of other groups such as Al-Qaeda and ISIS in Yemen. The episode highlights the complexity of the conflict, with multiple parties involved and various shifting alliances.
Origins and nature of the Houthi movement
The episode delves into the origins and nature of the Houthi movement. It explains that the Houthis are a Zaidi Shia group who have been involved in conflicts with the Yemeni government for many years. The Houthis initially had grievances regarding political and economic marginalization, and their movement gained momentum as they opposed central government control. The speaker emphasizes that the narrative of the conflict being a sectarian Sunni-Shia dispute is oversimplified and that it is primarily driven by political and local factors.
Role of former President Ali Abdullah Saleh
The podcast discusses the role of former President Ali Abdullah Saleh in the Yemeni conflict. It explains that Saleh was forced to step down during the Arab Spring in 2011 but remained in Yemen with immunity from prosecution. Saleh, who had a history of playing different factions against each other, found himself allied with the Houthis. The episode suggests that Saleh's involvement is driven by a desire to protect his family and allies and to undermine Saudi Arabia and his former vice president, Hadi.
Factors contributing to the fragmentation of Yemen
The episode highlights the presence of different factions and groups in Yemen that contribute to the fragmentation of the country. It mentions the southern secessionist movement, which emerged in 2007, as a response to perceived marginalization by the central government. The episode also discusses the presence of extremist groups such as Al-Qaeda and ISIS, as well as the impact of Saudi-led airstrikes on Yemen's military infrastructure. It concludes by suggesting that Yemen is becoming increasingly fractured, with different parts of the country drifting apart.
From September 26, 2015: On this week’s Lawfare Podcast, Gregory Johnsen outlines the current state-of-play in Yemen. Johnsen, who is a writer-at-large for Buzzfeed News, a doctoral candidate at Princeton University, and an all-things-Yemen-expert, walks Ben through the byzantine power politics in Sanaa that led to the conflict now engulfing Yemen and he explains why the war shouldn’t be viewed as just another Sunni-Shia fight. Yet while he clarifies that the issues that sparked the war are much more local, he warns that the longer the conflict goes on, the more likely it is to expand. Johnsen also outlines the events that led to the Saudi intervention and whether or not Yemen—which he says is really twelve separate factions now—can ever be put back together again.