Dave and Chris talk about knowing when a dish is ready to be put on the menu. Chris then interviews Ben Shewry of Attica in Melbourne, Australia, and they talk about their years of friendship, kitchen culture, and Ben's obsessive pursuit of perfection. Dave and Chris finish the episode with a gauntlet being thrown and a future challenge promised.

Host: Dave Chang and Chris Ying

Guests: Ben Shewry

Video/Audio Producer: Felipe Guilhermino

Majordomo Media Producers: Kelsey Rearden and David Meyer

Editor: Stefano Sanchez

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Chasing Perfection With Ben Shewry