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Dario Amade, CEO and co-founder of Anthropic, discusses his background in math and physics, his interest in AI, and how he founded Anthropic after working with organizations like OpenAI and Google Brain. His passion for science and safety led to the development of Anthropic's responsible scaling policy and constitutional AI.
Amade emphasizes the need for caution and safety in AI development. He highlights the potential misuse of powerful AI systems and the risks associated with models that can act autonomously without proper guidance. He introduces Anthropic's responsible scaling policy and its commitment to ensuring safety and security as AI systems become more powerful.
Anthropic's responsible scaling policy sets thresholds for AI safety levels (ASL) and outlines the criteria that must be met at each level. The policy includes the development of security measures to prevent model theft and the assurance that models do not output dangerous information. The goal is to proactively address safety concerns and align business incentives with safety incentives.
Amade envisions a future where safety measures and responsible development become industry standards. He emphasizes the importance of thinking long-term and skating where the puck is going by considering the potential capabilities of AI models in one to two years. He encourages a cautious approach to AI development and the need to address both the potential risks of misuse and system behavior.
The speaker emphasizes the importance of responsible scaling and safety measures as AI models become more powerful. They discuss the need for building models with increased capabilities and ensuring that safety protocols evolve alongside model capabilities. The hope is that creating a culture of responsible scaling and incentivizing safety measures will extend beyond the speaker's own organization and inspire others in the field.
The speaker acknowledges that their role as a CEO involves both typical business operations and unique responsibilities like testifying in front of Congress and considering national security implications. They prioritize normal day-to-day tasks but also allocate time to engage with government officials, work on biosecurity projects, and think about potential risks and moral implications of AI models.
The speaker expresses excitement about the positive impact AI technology can have, including significant breakthroughs in fields like medicine, mental health, and material science. The ability of AI models to process vast amounts of data and make connections across diverse topics offers promising possibilities for advancements in various domains. The speaker envisions a potential renaissance in medicine and foresees a world of abundance if the risks associated with AI can be effectively managed.
While acknowledging the potential positive impacts, the speaker acknowledges the risks and uncertainties associated with AI. They highlight the need to responsibly manage the risks associated with model misuse, undesirable behaviors, and potential misuse by malicious actors. The speaker emphasizes the importance of continuously addressing safety concerns, reducing risks associated with AI, and working towards minimizing potential catastrophic outcomes.
Dario Amodei is the Co-Founder and CEO of Anthropic. In the episode, we discuss detailed predictions on the AI industry for 2024, 2025, and beyond. Dario discusses his days at OpenAI, leaving to start Anthropic, why he doesn’t like the term AGI, what AI developments he’s most excited about right now, and much more. Overall, an enlightening conversation for anyone interested in the future of AI.
(0:00) Intro
(1:20) Joining OpenAI
(14:31) Are scaling and AI safety intertwined?
(20:31) Anthropic Early Days
(24:04) Amazon's Investment in Anthropic
(24:19) FTX investment in Anthropic
(25:50) Anthropic's Business Today
(30:51) Dario's Advice For Builders
(34:26) Should we pause AI progress?
(36:27) Future of AI
(37:55) Dario's Biggest AI Safety Concerns
(44:57) How Anthropic Deals With AI Bias
(49:29) Anthropic's Responsible Scaling Policy
(56:36) Testifying in front of Congress
(59:25) Will AI destroy humanity?
(1:00:00) GPT3 vs GPT4
(1:02:26) The memification of a CEO
(1:09:30) What are you most surprised by with AI?
(1:17:03) Why don't you like the term AGI?
(1:21:50) 2024 AI Predictions
(1:33:45) Dario's opinion on open-source models
(1:38:03) Probability of AI Catastrophe
(1:40:52) Misuse of AI
(1:44:44) Looking ahead: Dario's optimistic outlook on AI
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Mixed and edited: Justin Hrabovsky
Produced: Rashad Assir
Executive Producer: Josh Machiz
Music: Griff Lawson
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Logan Bartlett is a Software Investor at Redpoint Ventures - a Silicon Valley-based VC with $6B AUM and investments in Snowflake, DraftKings, Twilio, and Netflix. In each episode, Logan goes behind the scenes with world-class entrepreneurs and investors. If you're interested in the real inside baseball of tech, entrepreneurship, and start-up investing, tune in every Friday for new episodes.
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Logan Bartlett is a Software Investor at Redpoint Ventures - a Silicon Valley-based VC with $6B AUM and investments in Snowflake, DraftKings, Twilio, and Netflix. In each episode, Logan goes behind the scenes with world-class entrepreneurs and investors. If you're interested in the real inside baseball of tech, entrepreneurship, and start-up investing, tune in every Friday for new episodes.
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