On the Gist, birds and Debird.
In the interview, Mike talks to journalist and CNN correspondent Peter Bergen about Trump's national security team, the internal feuds, and why the key players of this team have all left, three years later. His new book is Trump and His Generals: The Cost of Chaos.
In the spiel, the Republicans need all the noise to continue.
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