Hal Brands, Henry Kissinger Distinguished Professor at Johns Hopkins University, and Michael Beckley, associate professor of political science at Tufts University, join the show to talk about how an armed confrontation with China could be coming more quickly than most expect.

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Times

• 01:30 Introduction

• 02:28 Danger Zone

• 05:13 A Matter Of Timing

• 07:55 A Thucydides Trap?

• 13:07 Historical Analogies and 1914

• 20:32 Getting To The Long Game

• 25:37 Sleepwalking Into War?

• 31:10 China’s Problems And Plans

• 35:06 The “Lenin Trap”

• 36:44 Why Does Taiwan Matter?

• 40:27 Commitments And Capabilities

• 44:37 What Will War Look Like?

• 48:24 Cold War Lessons

• 52:22 Getting Through The Danger Zone

Ep 41: Hal Brands and Michael Beckley on China