This episode was recorded live at The Eternal Song Film Gathering in 2025. Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo welcome Dr. (Uncle) Paul Gordon and Joe Williams, featured in the upcoming SAND Film In the Circle of Life premiering January 20, 2026. In this conversation they discuss the profound importance of connection to the land, cultural heritage, and traditional practices in achieving wellness. The conversation reveals how Indigenous wisdom can address modern societal woes and highlights the importance of respecting and maintaining a deep relationship with the natural world.

Topics

00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview
00:47 Meet Uncle Paul Gordon
01:59 Language and Cultural Connections
03:01 Introducing Joe Williams
16:26 Joe Williams' Journey and Spiritual Awakening
22:07 Aboriginal Perspectives on Wellbeing and Grief
26:23 Understanding Time and Connection to Country
29:40 Ancient Knowledge and Star Stories
30:50 Connection to Country and Ancestral Wisdom
44:25 The Role of Ceremony and Responsibility
52:22 Healing Through Connection to Nature
57:55 Final Thoughts and Resources

Resources

Recorded live at The Eternal Song Seven Day Film Premiere summit with Indigenous voices

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Healing with Songlines: Joe Williams & Dr. (Uncle) Paul Gordon