PreAccident Investigation Podcast

PAPod 434 - The Erik Hollnagel Speaks at the Safety II in Application Conference

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Mar 4, 2023
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ANECDOTE

Hollnagel's Stroke

  • Erik Hollnagel recounts suffering a stroke and its impact on his speech.
  • He jokes about the audience taking pictures of slides, regardless of comprehension.
INSIGHT

Safety's Meaning

  • Safety has many definitions, causing confusion about its true meaning.
  • Focus on what should be done (Safety II) rather than what shouldn't (Safety I).
ANECDOTE

Glass Analogy

  • Hollnagel uses the analogy of a glass: Safety I empties it of bad things, Safety II fills it with good things.
  • He references Dekker's divorce analogy: Studying failed marriages doesn't explain successful ones.
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