

PreAccident Investigation Podcast
Todd Conklin
The Pre Accident Podcast is an ongoing safety podcast conversation of Human Performance, Systems Safety, & Safety Culture.
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Jan 17, 2026 • 18min
PAPod 581- Measuring the Invisible: When 'Nothing Happened' Breaks Safety Metrics
Todd Conklin explores why its so difficult to measure events that never happen and how traditional safety metrics can mislead organizations. He argues for focusing on metrics that validate safeguards and create desired outcomes rather than only counting accidents.
The episode also touches on automation risks, the limits of frequency-based measures, and the need for better leading indicators and verification practices to keep systems safe even when nothing appears to go wrong.

Jan 12, 2026 • 22min
PAPod 580 - Start Right, End Safe: Building Better Encounters in 2026
Todd Conklin opens 2026 reflecting on why how we begin interactions and jobs matters more than we often realize. He uses stories from travel, aviation, and workplace examples to show that the start of an encounter often predicts its outcome.
Conklin urges listeners to choose kindness, psychological safety, and deliberate planning—start the job when the right controls are in place—rather than beginning from hate, division, or aggression. He links these opening choices to organizational resilience, safety, and reliability.
The episode is a New Year’s call to focus on how we start conversations and work: start safe, be kind, and build cultures that help people succeed in difficult and high-risk environments.

Jan 3, 2026 • 20min
PAPod 579 - Stepping Back Almost 10 Years...Another Trip Around the Sun: 2016 Safety Recap & 2017 Resolve
10. New Year’s Eve recap reflecting on a busy 2016 and the journey ahead into 2017.
9. Host shares personal travel highlights and experiments in gratitude and generosity.
8. Announces a 2017 focus on seeking and affirming the fundamental goodness in people.
7. Reviews safety’s evolution: from compliance (Safety One) to safety-by-design (process safety).
6. Explains the current phase emphasizing human performance and managing variability rather than blaming workers.
5. Notes that incidents have become rarer and traditional metrics are less predictive.
4. Discusses fatalities as outlier events that require different thinking and study.
3. Invites listeners to run small sociological experiments to improve everyday interactions.
2. Celebrates the collective progress in safety and the privilege of contributing to that change.
1. Ends with a New Year’s wish: be with each other, keep managing uncertainty wisely, and have a great 2017.

Dec 27, 2025 • 3min
PAPod 578 - Choose Gratitude: A Thanksgiving 2021 Reminder
This special Thanksgiving 2021 episode shares one simple piece of advice: be grateful. It highlights the power of gratitude during hard times and encourages you to pause and appreciate what you have.
When the world feels difficult, instead of meeting pain with pain, reflect on the people, support, and good things in your life. Gratitude helps you move forward with strength and perspective.
Learn something every day, have fun, and be good to each other.

Dec 20, 2025 • 23min
PAPod 577 - Near Misses: The Unexpected Gift That Keeps Workers Safe
In this episode Todd Conklin uses the season of gift-giving to explain near-miss reporting: why it matters, how it shows whether controls worked or luck saved the day, and how organizations should respond with gratitude and learning—not punishment.

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Dec 13, 2025 • 28min
PAPod 576 - From Continuous Improvement to Continuous Capacity: 10 Operational Indicators You Need
The discussion pivots from continuous improvement to the crucial concept of continuous capacity in high-risk operations. Ten key operational indicators are introduced, blending system capacities like error tolerance and detectability with human capacities such as frontline insight and psychological safety. The importance of measuring exposure to energy risks and the robustness of safeguards are emphasized. Practical examples illuminate how monitoring these indicators can enhance resilience and improve safety across organizations.

Dec 6, 2025 • 27min
PAPod 575 - Vancouver Workshop: A Case Study in Failure, Justice, and Resilience
Todd Conklin talks with Brent Sutton and Jeff Lyth about the upcoming HOP Workshop in Vancouver (Jan 28–29, 2026), centered on Redonda’s powerful firsthand story of patient safety, complex systems, restorative justice and resilience — lessons that translate across industries.
Day one features Redonda’s narrative and panel discussion; day two focuses on hands‑on learning and innovation. Please attend, this workshop will be amazingly good for the soul!
For tickets and details visit hopconference.com.

Nov 29, 2025 • 38min
PAPod 574 - Margin for Safety: Lessons from 50 Years in the Cockpit
This episode explores human performance and aviation safety, contrasting airline procedures with general aviation risks. Guests discuss building safety margins, the importance of planning vs. acting, and how economic pressures can erode resilience.
Highlights include treating near-misses as learning opportunities, practical tips for pilots to increase recoverability, and real-world examples from naval operations and long-term flying experience.

Nov 22, 2025 • 31min
PAPod 573 - The Stability Trap: Why Safe Organizations Still Fail
Jay Allen interviews Todd Conklin about his new book, The Stability Trap, exploring why even safe, stable organizations can fail. They discuss the "drive to zero," complacency, pressures on middle management, wearables and data, and lessons from aviation and the pandemic.
The episode also covers how AI was used to reorganize the book’s ideas and help craft its ending, and offers practical reframes: treat safety as a capacity, see workers as system monitors, and retool systems to match capacity with risk. The book is available now.

Nov 15, 2025 • 29min
PAPod 572 - The Stability Trap: Why Safety Success Can Lead to Failure
Host Todd introduces his new book, The Stability Trap, and shares a sneak peek episode created with an AI-generated interview. The episode explores why organizations that appear safe can still experience accidents and how success itself can erode safety capacity.
The discussion outlines the core ideas: safety as the presence of capacity, the three R's (redefine safety, reframe the worker, relearn investigation), and a five-stage practical blueprint for leaders, safety professionals, frontline workers, supervisors, and system integration.
Short and practical, the episode is a teaser for the book and invites listeners to reflect on whether their organizations maintain the resilience, confidence, and systems needed to recover when things go wrong.


