
The Daily Show: Ears Edition TDS Time Machine | Secretaries of Defense
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Dec 6, 2025 In this engaging discussion, former U.S. Secretaries of Defense Robert Gates and Leon Panetta reveal invaluable insights from their storied careers. Gates tackles the challenges of military reforms and the complexities of Congress, emphasizing the pitfalls of relying solely on military responses. Panetta highlights the shortcomings of U.S. strategies against ISIS and the intricacies of Syrian intervention. Both guests stress the urgent need for bipartisan cooperation and accountability in governance, urging leaders to align with the sacrifices made by those in uniform.
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Deliberation Versus Public Certainty
- Donald Rumsfeld argues internal deliberations showed probing uncertainty rather than public arrogance.
- He points to archived documents and questioning within meetings to support that claim.
Intelligence Is Inherently Uncertain
- Jon Stewart challenges the administration's public certainty about Iraq intelligence and WMDs.
- Rumsfeld acknowledges intelligence is never perfect and emphasizes continued questioning inside government.
The Parade Of Horribles Memo
- Rumsfeld recounts writing a "parade of horribles" memo listing many things that could go wrong, including no WMDs and long conflict duration.
- He presented that memo to the president and the National Security Council but says he "didn't believe them."





