Episode 137, Between God and Atheism: Live in London (Part I - The Debate)
Dec 1, 2024
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Join Philip Goff, a philosophy expert from Durham, Elizabeth Oldfield, a well-known writer on faith and politics, and Alex O’Connor, a popular YouTuber, in a spirited live debate from London. They tackle the fine-tuning argument for God and the problem of evil, exploring the complexities of suffering and belief. The panelists share personal anecdotes and diverse philosophical perspectives on existence, identity, and the nature of a loving deity. Their lively discussion balances rigorous reasoning with rich human experience.
The debate emphasizes the conflicting perspectives on God's existence, with theists arguing from design and atheists countering with the problem of evil.
Panelists share personal narratives of faith and belief, revealing the deeply individual journeys that shape their philosophical positions on existence.
Deep dives
Exploration of God and Atheism
The panel discussion addresses the fundamental questions surrounding the existence of God, focusing on the contrasting views of traditional theism represented by figures like Rowan Williams, and atheism, represented by Alex O'Connor. Each panelist engages with the deep philosophical issues tied to concepts such as the origin of the universe and the fine-tuning of the cosmos. The debate revolves around the arguments for God's existence, particularly the design argument, and the opposing argument centered on the presence of evil and suffering in the world. This lively exchange highlights how both sides find themselves grappling with complex philosophical challenges that stem from their stances.
The Problem of Evil
A significant part of the discussion focuses on the problem of evil, wherein panelists explore the implications of suffering within a theistic framework. Alex O'Connor argues that the existence of suffering challenges the notion of a loving and powerful God, presenting a dilemma that is difficult to reconcile. Elizabeth Oldfield suggests that these inquiries center on human experiences and the deep yearning for love and understanding amidst suffering. The panelists reflect on how the traditional explanations for suffering, such as free will and soul-making, can often feel inadequate in addressing the profound pain experienced in life.
Fine-Tuning and Its Implications
The concept of fine-tuning in the universe is another key topic, with Philip Goff presenting a perspective that reconciles theistic beliefs with scientific findings. He argues that the precise conditions necessary for life suggest a degree of intentionality in the cosmos, which may imply a God of limited power who operates within certain constraints. O'Connor responds by questioning why such constraints exist if an omnipotent God is responsible for creation, pointing to the improbability of life emerging from chaotic conditions. This dialogue illustrates the nuanced positions both theists and atheists hold regarding the implications of fine-tuning on their beliefs.
Personal Perspectives on Faith
The discussion also incorporates personal narratives, with panelists expressing their journeys regarding faith and belief. Elizabeth Oldfield recounts her own transformative experiences that led her to a relationship with God, emphasizing the importance of community and personal connection over intellectual arguments. Conversely, O'Connor shares his struggle with wanting to believe but remaining an atheist, emphasizing a desire for a cohesive explanation of existence. This reflection on individual experiences highlights the multifaceted nature of belief and the varying paths people take in their spiritual journeys.
This is a live recording from our recent show at The Royal Institution Theatre in London.
The panel includes returning guests Philip Goff (professor of philosophy at Durham) and Rowan Williams (former Archbishop of Canterbury), as well as two new panellists, Elizabeth Oldfield (the popular writer) and Alex O’Connor (the popular YouTuber).
It’s a very warm and good-spirited debate exploring the problems with traditional religion and atheism. The main arguments discussed are the argument for God from design and the argument against God from evil. Veteran listeners will be familiar with these arguments; still, in each case, it’s fascinating to hear the responses from both sides of the aisle on what their opponents take to be the strongest objections to their view.
Without further ado, here’s the audio from our live show…we hope you enjoy the conversation.
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