Michelle Goldberg, a prominent New York Times columnist, joins to discuss the highs and lows of the debate world. They delve into the aftermath of public humiliations and the journey of reclaiming one's reputation. The conversation also highlights the complexities of media trust, the importance of active listening in debates, and the transformative power of debate school. Listeners are treated to insights on Jamaican dialect and the art of communication, showcasing how empathy and personal experiences intertwine with the debate culture.