
The Careless Talk Climbing Podcast E176: Round Table - Climbing news, first 9A+, internet drama and hot takes
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Nov 26, 2025 The hosts dive into recent climbing news, from groundbreaking climbs to internet drama. They discuss the impact of a proposed 9A+ boulder and the community’s mixed reactions. Topics like grading politics and the evolution of climbing ratings spark heated debates. Personal stories add flavor, including a hilarious encounter with fruit-throwing London youths. Finally, they tackle the nuances of social media personas and online backlash in the climbing community. Expect lively banter and bold opinions throughout!
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Grades Need Community Consensus
- A grade's acceptance depends on context, history and repeat attempts, not just one opinion.
- Katie Lamb: community consensus and repeat ascents give a grade enduring credibility.
Explain Grades And Invite Feedback
- When you propose a grade, be ready to explain the breakdown and welcome other testers.
- Benn Wheeler: treat grade proposals as invitations for informed discussion, not declarations.
Survivor Bias In Grading
- Allowing only senders to set grades creates survivor bias in difficulty lists.
- Benn Wheeler: repeats and broader tester opinions are essential to fair grading.



