

Rick Wilson & Michael S. Roth
Mar 24, 2025
Rick Wilson, co-founder of The Lincoln Project and sharp critic of Donald Trump, teams up with Michael S. Roth, President of Wesleyan University and an advocate for academic integrity. They discuss Trump's dismantling of the Department of Education and his bullying tactics affecting universities. The conversation delves into the broader implications for higher education under political pressure and highlights the need for vigilance in protecting academic freedom and marginalized voices. Their insights shed light on the tense relationship between politics and education.
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Defending the Indefensible
- Trump administration officials struggled to defend his policies on television.
- Even friendly outlets questioned their explanations, highlighting the absurdity of the situation.
Education Paradox
- There's an inverse relationship between the desire to dismantle the Department of Education and one's education level.
- Many Trump supporters realize its importance after cuts affect educational programs.
Trump and the Courts
- Trump's attacks on the courts are dangerous and could incite violence from his supporters.
- His rhetoric mirrors pre-January 6th narratives, creating a dangerous pattern.