Joining the discussion is Marilyn R. Pukkila, a Tolkien scholar and former librarian at Colby College. She and John tackle the arrival of Men in Beleriand, exploring the dynamics between humans and elves, including the transformative friendships created. They delve into Morgoth's complex relationships with the Edain and the philosophical implications of migration in Tolkien's world. The conversation also highlights Haleth's strong leadership amidst adversity, drawing parallels to historical figures, while humorously linking Elven politics to modern social media dynamics.