Tomas Björkman is a former banker and philantrophist. Tomas has been involved and funded a number of projects with the purpose of taking us through the current societal transformation. Examples are 29k, the Inner Development Goals, Perspectiva and Emerge. Tomas has also release his book The World We Create as a Youtube series. This conversation stems from a deep care and circles the topic of instrumentality. It is a deep curiosity around movement building and concern for the current direction we are facing as a society that is the base line. Host: Amit Paul. Enjoy!