Mark Leonard's World in 30 Minutes

Doves and Hawks: Foreign policy in the second Trump age

Jun 13, 2025
This discussion features Dan Caldwell, a former senior adviser at the Pentagon, and Curt Mills, executive editor of the American Conservative. They explore the shifting landscape of American foreign policy under Trump, emphasizing a departure from traditional military buildup. The conversation navigates complex issues like Iran, Ukraine, and China, detailing internal conflicts and conservative anti-globalism. They also touch on the necessity for European nations to bolster their defense, accompanied by thoughtful book recommendations that shed light on historical contexts.
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Post-9/11 Wars Shape Policy

  • Trump administration's foreign policy is shaped by post-9/11 war experiences and a rejection of past failures.
  • Prioritizes American interests economically and militarily, with a strong focus on the Western Hemisphere.
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Conservative Anti-Globalism Defined

  • Trump's foreign policy is defined by conservative anti-globalism: immigration restriction, trade realism, and restraint in foreign policy.
  • He critiques establishment Republican wings and links these three issues as part of a unified approach.
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Stopping Killing and Avoiding Escalation

  • Trump's primary goal in Ukraine is to stop the killing and avoid wider nuclear conflict.
  • He supports a normal relationship with Russia and opposes US boots on the ground or NATO expansion to Ukraine.
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