Trump Has Completely Forgotten His Relationship With Mike Pence

Rick Perlstein, a journalist and historian, dives into the absurdity of Trump's comments about Kamala Harris and Mike Pence, reflecting on the surreal nature of current political narratives. Dr. Jamil Zaki, an author and researcher, discusses his new book on the science of human goodness and explores themes of hope amid growing cynicism. They also address the impact of negativity in politics and highlight the unexpected kindness that has emerged during challenging times, arguing for a more authentic and hopeful political discourse.