The Daily Stoic

The National’s Matt Berninger On Ego, Collaboration, and Slowing Down

Dec 19, 2020
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Matt Berninger
Matt Berninger, lead singer of indie rock band The National, discusses the unglamorous reality of the rock 'n' roll lifestyle and the creative challenges posed by the pandemic. He laments the pressures of ego and explores how collaboration fuels artistic growth. Berninger shares insights on embracing emotional depth while navigating self-awareness, reflecting on his journey from advertising to music. He highlights the importance of risk-taking in evolution and authenticity, making a case for emotional processing as essential in art.
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ANECDOTE

The National's Impact on Ryan Holiday's Writing

  • Ryan Holiday frequently listened to The National while writing.
  • He often played single songs on repeat to access the right emotional space for his writing.
INSIGHT

Unusual Career Trajectory

  • The National's career trajectory is unusual, marked by continued acceleration even 20 years in.
  • This contrasts with bands who explode onto the scene or those who slog for years without recognition.
ANECDOTE

Early Career Impatience and Growth

  • Matt Berninger felt impatient for success early in his career.
  • He recognizes that his early work was premature and would be better with his current experience.
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