Michèle Flournoy, a former Pentagon official and national security expert, teams up with Cecil Haney, a trailblazing U.S. Navy four-star admiral, to delve into pressing issues. They discuss the nuances of nuclear deterrence and the essential qualities of smart leadership. The conversation also highlights the importance of diversity in military roles and the often-overlooked job opportunities that exist outside traditional platforms. Both guests share personal stories that illuminate the complexities of their experiences in the defense sector.