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The podcast explores the profound changes in daily life over the past three decades, largely driven by technological advancements. The speaker reminisces about how, in his youth, the conveniences of modern life—such as reading any book, listening to any song, or accessing a world of information—would have seemed magical. This rapid normalization of technology has led to significant improvements in quality of life, poverty eradication, and empowerment for marginalized groups. However, this progress also raises concerns about the vulnerabilities in political and social domains that seem to be regressing.
The discussion addresses the unsettling resurgence of populism and the accompanying rise of authoritarianism across various political contexts. Historical milestones, such as the collapse of the Soviet Union and the fall of the Berlin Wall, initially signaled a path toward global freedom and democracy. In contrast, recent trends suggest a retreat in liberal democratic values, with increasing support for populist leaders who foster division and tribalism. This environment has given way to a dangerous blend of rhetoric that fuels polarization and undermines social cohesion.
The podcast highlights the evolution of political labels and identities, reflecting on how historical understandings have altered with contemporary political landscapes. The speaker and his guest remember their earlier libertarian inspirations, which have since become entangled in the complexities of modern politics. As politics became more polarized and tribalistic, both individuals hesitated to adopt previous labels, acknowledging that many who once claimed to champion individual freedom have deviated from those principles. This shift illustrates how political affiliations can become tools of identity rather than facilitators of genuine dialogue.
The foundation of the Institute for the Study of Modern Authoritarianism arises from the recognition that traditional libertarian arguments need to adapt to address contemporary societal challenges. The speaker emphasizes the need to understand and respond to the rise of populism and authoritarianism through well-researched discourse. This institute serves as a platform to mobilize intellectual resources and raise public awareness about the dangers of contemporary authoritarianism across the political spectrum. It aims to foster collaboration among diverse factions committed to safeguarding liberal values amidst rising extremism.
The discussion introduces a novel approach to tracking populism through a nationwide polling project, aimed at gauging public sentiment towards strongman politics. By establishing a rigorous definition of populism, this initiative seeks to uncover how deep-rooted these sentiments are within the population and how they might shift over time. This data will not only highlight trends in populist support but also assist in preemptively identifying and addressing the underlying grievances that fuel such movements. By staying ahead of these dynamics, the organization hopes to counteract threats to democracy.
The conversation underscores the need for a cultural reset that reestablishes public faith in liberal values as a counter to the rise of authoritarianism. The speaker emphasizes that robust critiques of liberalism must be examined, as genuine grievances from the public need to be understood and addressed. It is vital to remind society of the achievements brought forth by liberal democracies, such as peace and prosperity, while advocating for social justice. This reset requires addressing the concerns of marginalized groups while finding ways to reinvigorate liberal institutions to combat injustices effectively.
The podcast reflects on the duality of human nature, acknowledging that while people are capable of compassion and coexistence, they can also harbor deep-seated prejudices and hostilities. This complexity becomes evident in personal stories where seemingly decent individuals are capable of justifying incredible atrocities based on identity dangers. The speaker suggests that our understanding of communities must account for both the humanizing influences of personal interactions and the overarching narratives that can lead to hostility. This understanding is critical in addressing societal divisions and fostering unity amid ongoing tensions.
The conversation delves into the evolving meanings of political labels in modern discourse, highlighting how words can lose their clarity as they become battlegrounds for ideological conflict. The use of terms like 'liberal' and 'social justice' has shifted, complicating the dialogue and making it harder for individuals to find common ground. This obscurity calls for a nuanced approach to political discussions that goes beyond labels to focus on shared values and principles. The speaker expresses concern that without a mutual understanding of terms, productive conversations about society's direction will become increasingly difficult.
The podcast discusses the speaker's philosophical journey in journalism, illustrating the balance between reporting and expressing one's values. Early in their career, they learned the importance of conveying complex ideas clearly, an essential skill for effective communication. As the media landscape shifted, they found themselves at odds with changes that clashed with their understanding of journalism's purpose. This tension underscored the need for journalists to engage deeply with the ethical implications of their work while remaining steadfast in their commitment to truth and integrity.
The podcast highlights how personal experiences shape worldviews and the importance of intellectual curiosity throughout one's life. The speaker shares their formative years and the influence of diverse perspectives that led to an appreciation of liberal values and the dangers of authoritarianism. Various intellectual influences, particularly Hayek's work, have played a pivotal role in informing their understanding of economic principles and social order. This intellectual evolution emphasizes the significance of continuous learning, adaptation, and the willingness to engage with complex societal issues.
Populism is on the rise everywhere, and the long arc of history has bent away from freedom. Shikha Dalmia joins Amit Varma in episode 403 of The Seen and the Unseen to discuss the derangements of our modern times -- and the threat that Donald Trump poses. (FOR FULL LINKED SHOW NOTES, GO TO SEENUNSEEN.IN.) Also check out: 1. Shikha Dalmia on Twitter, LinkedIn, Reason, The Week and ISMA. 2. Institute for the Study of Modern Authoritarianism. 3. The UnPopulist. 4. The Seen/Unseen episode on immigration with Shikha Dalmia. 5. The Populist Playbook -- Episode 42 of Everything is Everything. 6. Why Both Modi and Trump are Textbook Populists (2017) -- Amit Varma. 7. Rhinoceros -- Eugène Ionesco. 8. Stopping the Rhinoceros Takeover -- Shikha Dalmia. 9. Gita Press and the Making of Hindu India — Akshaya Mukul. 10. The Gita Press and Hindu Nationalism — Episode 139 of The Seen and the Unseen (w Akshaya Mukul). 11. Colours of the Cage: A Prison Memoir — Arun Ferreira. 12. The Reactionary Spirit -- Zack Beauchamp. 13. Narendra Modi takes a Great Leap Backwards — Amit Varma (on demonetisation). 14. Beware of the Useful Idiots — Amit Varma. 15. Stay Away From Luxury Beliefs -- Episode 46 of Everything is Everything. 16. The Good and Bad of Critical Race Theory -- Fabio Rojas. 17. The Color of Law -- Richard Rothstein. 18. Identity -- Francis Fukuyama. 19. Coleman Hughes, Glenn Loury and John McWhorter on Twitter/X. 20. The Fall of Minneapolis -- Alpha News. 21. What Really Happened to George Floyd? -- Coleman Hughes. 22. The retconning of George Floyd: Parts One, Two, an Update, Three -- Radley Balko. 23. The Murder Trial of OJ Simpson. 24. Glenn Loury & John McWhorter do a second take. 25. The Intellectual Foundations of Hindutva — Episode 115 of The Seen and the Unseen (w Aakar Patel). 26. A Typology of the New Right -- Shikha Dalmia. 27. The Flight 93 Election -- Michael Anton. 28. A Passage to India -- EM Forster. 29. Jane Austen on Amazon, Wikipedia and Britannica. 30. Thomas Hardy and W Somerset Maugham on Amazon. 31. Ayn Rand on Amazon, Wikipedia and Britannica. 32. Milton Friedman on Amazon, Wikipedia and Britannica. 33. Friedrich Hayek on Amazon, Wikipedia and Britannica. 34. Memories and Things — Episode 195 of The Seen and the Unseen (w Aanchal Malhotra). 35. Remnants of a Separation — Aanchal Malhotra. 36. Arnold Kling and the Four Languages of Politics -- Episode 394 of The Seen and the Unseen. 37. The Life and Times of Vir Sanghvi — Episode 236 of The Seen and the Unseen. 38. A Rude Life — Vir Sanghvi. 39. The Use of Knowledge in Society — Friedrich Hayek. 40. Four Papers That Changed the World -- Episode 41 of Everything is Everything. 41. Don't Mess With the Price System -- Episode 66 of Everything is Everything. 42. The Road to Serfdom -- Friedrich Hayek. 43. Dadabhai Naoroji, Mahadev Govind Ranade, Gopal Krishna Gokhale and Gopal Ganesh Agarkar. 44. Caste, Capitalism and Chandra Bhan Prasad — Episode 296 of The Seen and the Unseen. 45. Yugank Goyal Is out of the Box — Episode 370 of The Seen and the Unseen. 46. What Is Populism? -- Jan-Werner Müller. 47. The State of Indian Politics — Episode 50 of The Seen and the Unseen (w JP Narayan). 48. The Gentle Wisdom of Pratap Bhanu Mehta — Episode 300 of The Seen and the Unseen. 49. The Liberalism of Fear -- Judith Shklar. 50. Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, Rahat Fateh Ali Khan, Nooran Sisters and Hadiqa Kiani on Spotify. 51. Kamli -- Hadiqa Kiani. This episode is sponsored by CTQ Compounds. Check out The Daily Reader and FutureStack. Use the code UNSEEN for Rs 2500 off. Amit Varma and Ajay Shah have launched a new course called Life Lessons, which aims to be a launchpad towards learning essential life skills all of you need. For more details, and to sign up, click here. Amit and Ajay also bring out a weekly YouTube show, Everything is Everything. Have you watched it yet? You must! And have you read Amit’s newsletter? Subscribe right away to The India Uncut Newsletter! It’s free! Also check out Amit’s online course, The Art of Clear Writing. Episode art: ‘Unpopulist’ by Simahina.
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