Jacqueline Keeler, a Navajo journalist, and Kairos Old, a member of the Pamunkey Indian tribe, dive into the controversial issue of pretendianism—people falsely claiming Native heritage. They discuss the serious ramifications of mislabeling genuine Indigenous individuals and the emotional toll on those falsely accused. Their conversation unpacks the societal implications of identity fraud and the need for ethical investigative practices. The dialogue also touches on cultural appropriation and the ongoing struggles faced by those with mixed heritage.