Latent Space: The AI Engineer Podcast

⚡️ 10x AI Engineers with $1m Salaries — Alex Lieberman & Arman Hezarkhani, Tenex

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Nov 19, 2025
Alex Lieberman, co-founder of Tenex and ex-Morning Brew strategist, teams up with Arman Hezarkhani, a technical founder who redefined engineering at Parthian. They discuss how shifting from hourly pay to compensation based on output (story points) has enabled unprecedented productivity in AI engineering. Arman shares insights on hiring top talent through rigorous, challenging interviews to ensure quality. Together, they explore the challenges of scaling AI-driven businesses and the potential for engineers to earn over $1 million by aligning their work with AI capabilities.
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ANECDOTE

90% Downsizing, 10x Output

  • Arman shrank his Parthian engineering team by 90% and rebuilt the product as AI-first.
  • That restructure produced roughly 10x production-ready software output despite far fewer engineers.
INSIGHT

Output Pay Aligns AI Incentives

  • Hourly billing disincentivizes engineers from adopting AI because faster work reduces billed hours.
  • Paying for output instead aligns incentives to maximize throughput and adoption of AI tools.
ADVICE

Hire For Long-Term Incentives

  • Hire engineers who are 'long-term selfish' or who genuinely love coding to avoid gaming output metrics.
  • Use hiring as the primary mechanism to prevent story-point inflation and protect client relationships.
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