He wanted to be the richest guy in the game. In 8th grade, it was trading phones. In 9th grade, it was negotiating sports contracts. Later, he founded an influencer company, started a cryptocurrency agency, and even did a gig at the White House.

And he says… you have to love it. You can't sustain misery for 25-30 years just to build an empire.

Michael Gruen, co-founder and vice president of TalentX Entertainment and an entrepreneur since the eighth grade, shares his path from Jewish school dropout to crypto co-founder and talent executive.

In this episode, Michael and Erik chat about...

- The time Michael's dad realized he wasn't built for the system

- Graduating college at 18

- How Michael got into crypto and his long-term predictions for the market

- Why you might not want to be an entrepreneur

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