Gene and Chris present a rare interview with Raymond B. Palmer, the son of legendary UFO and occult researcher Raymond A. Palmer, the co-founder of "Fate" magazine and one of the early promoters of flying saucer research. Raymond A. also introduced the world to the Shaver mystery, about a man who claimed to have been in touch with advanced beings from beneath the Earth. To some, Raymond A. was regarded as the "father" of the UFO field. Also joining us with his own perspectives is veteran UFO researcher Tim "Mr. UFO" Beckley. Sadly Chris and Tim are no longer with us.


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