A fun conversation with my friend, Jason Snyder. We talk about his homestead, aspirational sci-fi visions, religious & metaphysical views, 'skin in the game' vs 'soul in the game', the power & evolution of language, meta-sanghas, the liminal web, Doomer Optimism, aspirational visions for techno peasants, our uncertain future, situated & relational awareness, personal & cultural developmental models, collapse scenarios, resilient lifestyles, cars vs. donkeys, Jason's ambitions for Doomer Optimism, neo-localists vs elder localists, loconomy, the Rizoma Field School, group conversation dynamics, and much more.