Bassist Geezer Butler from Black Sabbath shares rock and roll stories with Marc Maron. They discuss the band's evolution, struggles, and unity, touching on influences like Frank Zappa and the Beatles. Geezer reflects on past gigs, band members, veganism, health, and exploring the battle with depression through music and art.
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Black Sabbath's evolution from blues covers to heavy rock defined the genre.
The band's name 'Black Sabbath' set a unique tone amidst heavy metal criticism.
Lyrical inspiration from real-life events added depth beyond stereotypes.
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Evolution from Blues to Heavy Rock Band
Black Sabbath's journey from playing blues covers to creating their own unique sound, with songs like 'Black Sabbath' and 'Wicked World', marked a shift towards heavy rock. The band's initial experiences playing covers and the need to differentiate themselves led to the iconic sound that defined the genre.
Origin of 'Black Sabbath' and Heavy Metal Label
The band's name 'Black Sabbath' was inspired by a horror film, setting a dark and unique tone for their music. Despite initially being labeled as 'heavy metal' in a derogatory sense by critics, Black Sabbath's raw and distinctive sound eventually became synonymous with the heavy metal genre.
Inspiration from Real-Life Events and Folklore in Songwriting
Black Sabbath drew lyrical inspiration from real-life events and folklore, such as the song 'War Pigs', influenced by conversations with Vietnam War veterans and anti-war sentiments. Exploring themes of war, Jesus, and revenge, their music often delved into deeper narratives beyond perceived stereotypes of Satanism.
Influential Album Titles and Misconceptions
Album titles like 'Master of Reality' and 'Paranoid' are discussed, revealing how they were often misinterpreted by audiences. The speaker explains that 'Master of Reality' was inspired by the master recording process and the theme of reality, debunking assumptions. Moreover, the misunderstanding of the ending of the song 'Paranoid' is addressed, showing how external factors influenced interpretations of the lyrics.
Challenges with Management and Personal Struggles
The podcast delves into the band's struggles with unfair management practices that led to financial hardships. Stories of being misled about wealth and struggling with limited financial freedom are shared, shedding light on the exploitation faced by the band. Additionally, personal battles with alcoholism and mental health issues, such as depression, are revealed, emphasizing how music became a coping mechanism and an outlet for expressing inner turmoil.
As bassist and lyricist for Black Sabbath, Geezer Butler has a lifetime of rock and roll stories to tell. From the band’s working class roots in Birmingham to their early days as a traditional blues band to their transformation into the quintessential heavy metal group, Geezer tells Marc how he brought it all together with Ozzy Osbourne, Bill Ward and Tony Iommi, how it eventually fell apart, and how they picked up the pieces. They also talk about Frank Zappa, the Beatles, and the true meaning of Iron Man.