"We don't want to be messy. We have so much of a feeling of needing to be perfect, that 'Well what if I tried something and then what if it's not the best?' or 'What if people saw me start a business and change my mind or pivot?' or 'What if I wasted time?' And that's really sad, because the ROI is that you get to become who you were meant to be in this world. And I think that that's worth being in a process."
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The Cathy Heller Podcast with Cathy Heller