In this crosspost from the 80,000 Hours podcast, host Rob Wiblin interviews Nick Joseph, Head of Training at Anthropic, about the company's responsible scaling policy for AI development. The episode delves into Anthropic's approach to AI safety, the growing trend of voluntary commitments from top AI labs, and the need for public scrutiny of frontier model development. The conversation also covers AI safety career advice, with a reminder that 80,000 Hours offers free career advising sessions for listeners. Join us for an insightful discussion on the future of AI and its societal implications.

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CHAPTERS:

(00:00:00) About the Show

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(00:01:22) About the Episode

(00:04:31) Intro and Nick's background

(00:08:37) Model training and scaling laws

(00:13:10) Nick's role at Anthropic

(00:16:49) Responsible Scaling Policies overview (Part 1)

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(00:20:39) Responsible Scaling Policies overview (Part 2)

(00:25:24) AI Safety Levels framework

(00:30:33) Benefits of RSPs (Part 1)

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(00:33:38) Benefits of RSPs (Part 2)

(00:36:32) Concerns about RSPs

(00:47:33) Sandbagging and evaluation challenges

(00:54:46) Critiques of RSPs

(01:03:11) Trust and accountability

(01:12:03) Conservative vs. aggressive approaches

(01:17:43) Capabilities vs. safety research

(01:23:47) Working at Anthropic

(01:35:14) Nick's career journey

(01:45:12) Hiring at Anthropic

(01:52:06) Concerns about AI capabilities work

(02:03:38) Anthropic office locations

(02:08:46) Pressure and stakes at Anthropic

(02:18:09) Overrated and underrated AI applications

(02:35:57) Closing remarks

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