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219 - Joscha Bach: Consciousness, Artificial Intelligence, and the Threat of AI Apocalypse

Aug 5, 2024

Joscha Bach, a computer scientist and AI researcher at Liquid AI, delves into the fascinating landscape of consciousness and artificial intelligence. He discusses the philosophical theories of consciousness, from dualism to panpsychism, and examines if machines can ever replicate the human mind. The conversation touches on the evolution of AI, potential risks of advanced technologies, and the implications for society. Joscha also debates whether ChatGPT and its peers could surpass human intelligence, urging a careful look at AI's role in our future.

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Joscha Bach explores the complex nature of consciousness, analyzing varying theories such as panpsychism, dualism, and physicalism.

He discusses the distinction between human intelligence and artificial intelligence, emphasizing the need for models that allow for creative reasoning.

Bach addresses ethical concerns surrounding AI technologies, suggesting they can enhance meaningful work rather than merely replace jobs.

The future implications of AI on economic disparities are examined, arguing for effective regulation to ensure equitable distribution of benefits.

He posits that AI can be instrumental in addressing global challenges like climate change, fostering innovation for sustainability.

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The Origins of AI Fear

There is a movement initiated by figures like Eliezer Yudkowsky that argues the inevitability of advanced AI becoming agentic and self-improving. This reasoning suggests that an AI, once developed, will outperform humans, leading to catastrophic outcomes for humanity. As a result, many individuals focused on rational thought began to panic, pushing for regulations aimed at AI safety. However, these regulations are often perceived as detrimental to AI research, potentially hindering its development rather than ensuring safety.

Reality as a Brain-Generated Game Engine

01:30

The Speculative Future of Intelligence and Civilization's Challenges

04:12

Programming Unveils Causal Models

02:15

The Balancing Act of AI: Risks, Benefits, and Societal Impact

04:00

Intro

4min

Building Blocks of Code and Philosophy

15min

Exploring Consciousness and Artificial Intelligence: Realities and Simulations

3min

Navigating Consciousness: Theoretical Perspectives

26min

Exploring Interdisciplinary Approaches to Consciousness

5min

Rethinking Intelligence and Artificial Intelligence

20min

Exploring AI Intelligence and Limitations

22min

Navigating the AI Research Landscape: Industry Dynamics and Open Source Contributions

4min

Navigating Fears of AI

25min

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AI and the Future of Wealth Distribution

7min

11.

Harnessing AI for a Sustainable Future

4min

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Joscha Bach is a computer scientist and artificial intelligence researcher currently working with Liquid AI. He has previously done research at Harvard, MIT, Intel, and the AI Foundation. In this episode, Joscha and Robinson discuss the nature of consciousness—both in humans and synthetic—various theories of consciousness like panpsychism, physicalism, dualism, and Roger Penrose’s, the distinction between intelligence and artificial intelligence, the next developments of ChatGPT and other LLMs, OpenAI, and whether advances in AI will spell the end of humankind.

Joscha’s X: https://x.com/Plinz

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00:00 Introduction

03:33 Why are Legos Like Computer Programs?

08:23 Philosophy and Mental Representation

11:17 Using Computer Science to Understand Reality

16:26 Could We Make Minds from Machines?

19:14 Is Reality a Simulation?

21:46 What Is the Mind?

24:27 What Do Mysterions Believe About Consciousness?

26:20 Does Roger Penrose’s Theory of Consciousness Make Sense?

35:15 Could Dualism Explain the Human Mind?

37:58 What Is Physicalism About the Human Mind?

41:03 What’s Wrong with Panpsychism?

47:58 On the Next Breakthrough in Consciousness

52:59 What Is Intelligence?

55:45 What’s Artificial Intelligence?

58:22 What Defines the Current Wave of AI?

01:00:57 On the First AI Winter

01:04:55 On Meaning, LLMs, and ChatGPT

01:08:18 Does ChatGPT Mirror the Human Mind?

01:13:18 Is ChatGPT Intelligent?

01:18:43 Will ChatGPT Become Smarter than Humans?

01:24:25 What Is the ARC Challenge for AI?

01:27:58 Will ChatGPT Philosophize Better than Philosophers?

01:35:04 Are Apple, Google, and Microsoft on the Cutting Edge of AI?

01:39:16 Shoulder We Fear AI?

01:45:34 Are We the Smartest Thing on Earth?

01:49:47 What’s More Dangerous: The Internet or AI?

01:54:20 Could AI Take Over the Planet?

01:59:22 Will AI Make Human Artists Obsolete?

02:04:10 Will AI Make Humankind Dependent on the One Percent?

02:11:28 Could AI Solve Climate Change?

Robinson’s Website: http://robinsonerhardt.com

Robinson Erhardt researches symbolic logic and the foundations of mathematics at Stanford University. Join him in conversations with philosophers, scientists, and everyone in-betwee

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Robinson's Podcast

219 - Joscha Bach: Consciousness, Artificial Intelligence, and the Threat of AI Apocalypse

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The Origins of AI Fear

Yoshua Bach's Background and Insights

The Complexity of Consciousness

Connection Between Intelligence and AI

Ethical Implications of AI Development

Socioeconomic Disparities and AI

AI's Potential Role in Climate Change Solutions

Navigating the Future of AI and Humanity

Cultural Impacts of AI in Art

Reality as a Brain-Generated Game Engine

The Speculative Future of Intelligence and Civilization's Challenges

Programming Unveils Causal Models

The Balancing Act of AI: Risks, Benefits, and Societal Impact

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Deep dives

The Origins of AI Fear

Yoshua Bach's Background and Insights

The Complexity of Consciousness

Connection Between Intelligence and AI

Ethical Implications of AI Development

Socioeconomic Disparities and AI

AI's Potential Role in Climate Change Solutions

Navigating the Future of AI and Humanity

Cultural Impacts of AI in Art

Reality as a Brain-Generated Game Engine

The Speculative Future of Intelligence and Civilization's Challenges

Programming Unveils Causal Models

The Balancing Act of AI: Risks, Benefits, and Societal Impact

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