Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps “The Secret Power Behind World Leaders” with Phoebe Saintilan-Stocks
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Dec 12, 2025 Phoebe Saintilan-Stocks, a journalist and author known for her insights into political power dynamics, dives into the pivotal yet often overlooked role of chiefs of staff. She discusses their multifaceted duties as gatekeepers, strategists, and emotional supports for leaders during crises. Phoebe shares compelling stories from notable figures like Mandela and Blair, exploring loyalty, influence, and the hidden machinations of power. She also examines gender dynamics within the role and the balance between visibility and invisibility in political leadership.
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Invisible Power Behind Leaders
- Chiefs of staff are the secret architecture behind leaders, blending strategist, confidant, and gatekeeper roles.
- They shape decisions by controlling access and acting as an extension of the leader's judgement.
Triage Role Of Chiefs Of Staff
- Chiefs of staff function as triage nurses who filter issues so leaders only handle the biggest crises.
- They solve medium-level problems and protect leaders from burnout and distraction.
Princess Diana Wake-Up Call
- Jonathan Powell described waking Tony Blair in the night after Princess Diana died and arranging urgent access.
- That story shows how chiefs execute emergency actions and break normal rules when crises hit.
