Our most precious relationships are often our most complicated, aren’t they? Poet and bestselling author Kwame Alexander wrote an honest book of poems and essays that name the difficult and beautiful and heart-wrenching conversations we have (or should be having) with the people we love and with the ones who love us.

In this conversation, Kwame and Kate discuss:

How we can’t outrun our grief
How our own parents love us in the ways they want to be loved, but maybe not in the ways we need—and how we find our ways back to each other
The desire to share with our kids how we love, where we fail, where we tried, and who we were before we were their parent

CW: death of parent, divorce

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Kwame Alexander: To Be Loved Like That