[PREVIEW] How Much Did You Pay Your Pumpkin Stylist?

Welcome to Indulgence Gospel After Dark!
We are Virginia Sole-Smith and Corinne Fay, and it's time for your November Extra Butter episode.

Today we're talking about our problematic faves! These are shows, musicians, influencers and other pockets of culture that we want to enjoy without thinking much about them, even if there's discourse. We'll get into:

• Our favorite Bad Skinny Girl TV shows.

• The straight man who has Corinne's heart.

• Is Virginia a pick-me girl now?

• And so many more!!!

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Episode 219 Transcript

Corinne

Today, we're going to do a fun little episode where we talk about problematic faves...although it's a little more nuanced than that. This is kind of inspired by a TikTok by Caro Claire Burke. She also has a Substack, and a podcast which we love. 

Caro says:

The inherent flaw of a platform like TikTok, for a cultural critic like me, but also just for anyone, is that you look on someone's feed and you only see the shit they care about. And you get the impression that this person is constantly, chronically online, and that they care about everything. And that makes me feel tired with other people, and it makes me feel really tired with myself.

So I thought I would cleanse my feet a little bit by sharing five things I couldn't be bothered to care about, five things where I constantly go, it's not that deep—even though it probably is that deep—as a means of just creating a small sanctuary for myself in a world that is rapidly falling to shit. 

And her list includes the Skims Merkin, discourse about whether protesting is cringe, her own marriage, and Hailey Bieber.

Virginia

Interesting choice for her to put her own marriage on the list. I honestly respect it. 

Corinne

It's like, if it's working, don't look at it too hard, you know?

Virginia

I love this whole concept. I think Caro does great work. But it was a really hard assignment for me! Because we are so chronically online and we care and we dissect everything. I think it's a good exercise though. Not because we don't want to hold problematic people accountable, but because we do get to be people, and sometimes just exist and just let something exist.

Okay, so you're like, cringe-ing, a little every time I say problematic fave. Is that just because it's a very overused term, or because you think that's not quite what we're doing?

Corinne

Good question. I feel like the things on my list aren't necessarily problematic? Or they're not problematic yet, but I don't want to look too deeply into this, you know? I want to let it be something I enjoy, and not have to wrestle with it. 

I think there's also a way in which we try so hard to do things right with consumerism, like, boycott the right brands and shop for things in the correct way, or hold people accountable. And yes, we should do that. We should try to make the world a better place. And, it's exhausting, and we can't realistically do everything right all the time.

Virginia

I think that's really fair. Maybe the other reason these aren't quite problematic faves is we are not naming people or institutions...Oh wait, I might be? But we're trying not to name people or institutions who have a known track record of already being wildly offensive in some way. But we see the potential for them to go in that direction.

Now that I said that, there are a couple on my list that are already maybe problematic. So we'll get there. 

But it's different from being like, "this person is a well established problem, and I just find them delightful anyway." It's more like, oh, this could be a thing, but let's not overthink it right now. 

I feel like this is a little like brain break we all need.

Corinne

Okay, the first one that came to mind for me was TV related. I feel like there's a certain genre of show that I like to watch that is very fluffy, very detached from reality, or at least my reality, and I just like to watch it. So I just can't really get that much into the discourse. And I'm talking about shows like Emily in Paris, And Just Like That, the Sex in the City reboot. I just want to zone out and watch them.

Virginia

I mean, we did do a Live all about how bad the final season of And Just Like That, was.

Corinne

It's true.

Virginia

So we did contribute to the discourse. And I totally agree with you. We were like, well we're watching it anyway!

Corinne

And now that it has been canceled, I do feel a real loss.

Virginia

Turns out I do want to see women in their 50s wearing absolutely absurd outfits and spending far too much money on cocktails. Where else are we going to find that in our lives? 

My first one is also TV-related and very adjacent. I put down Nobody Wants This, the Kristen Bell, Adam Brody romcom, but this is a whole genre, I think. And Just Like That, Emily in Paris, Nobody Wants This. There are so many! I call them Bad Skinny Girl TV.

Corinne

Oh, wow. I mean, Emily in Paris is absolutely Bad Skinny Girl TV.

Virginia

The thing I have to be mindful of with these shows is, if I watch too many, too constantly, it can trigger some body stuff. That's my one legit flag on these shows. If you look at too many really skinny, pretty Hollywood actresses, sometimes it starts to get into your brain a little. So, you know, be mindful about that.

But otherwise, it's like Nobody Wants This...the second season was so dumb. It was so dumb, it was just a retread. 

Corinne

I didn't even know there was a second season. 

Virginia

My 12 year old and I just binged it. Kristen Bell plays a just sort of unlikable main character. But because it's Kristen Bell, you're along for the ride regardless. She's being immature and making strange choices and wearing so many odd shirts. I don't really understand who chose the shirts for that show. They always have weird holes in them, or, like, barely cover her torso in some complicated way? And yet I was like, yeah, seems great

Corinne

Now that we're saying this. I'm also thinking abotu how I love to watch all the detective, cop, FBI, CIA, MI5 shows. Also extremely problematic. Propaganda for evil forces.

Virginia

ACAB, except for TV cops?

Corinne

I know in my heart these are forces for evil. And, like, I love to watch them on TV. 

Virginia

We will solve this murder.

Corinne

I'm rooting for the detective.

Virginia

These shows I'm talking about also often do often have some thinly veiled, or not-so-veiled fatphobia. And I am just, for the most part, able to just sail on through it. I will also put something like Gilmore Girls in this category. There is a valuable cultural discourse around Gilmore Girls. There's a lot about it that doesn't age well. And it will still be a comfort watch for me forever.

All right, what's next for you?

Corinne

All right. Well, this came up when we were discussing doing this episode. I was like, "Oh, I'm gonna have to really think about what mine are..." And you were like, "Yours is The Gap." 

And to be clear: The Gap does not make my size. I cannot wear clothes from The Gap. And yet, I'm constantly looking at their website. I like their clothes, and I feel like I've recommended them to you, Virginia, because I'm like, "well if you can wear them, you might as well." Like, I'm not interested in being mad at The Gap for not making my size.

Virginia

You’re like "They get a pass, their advertising is so charming."

Corinne

I think with The Gap specifically, I have some deep-seated childhood stuff, because The Gap factory outlet was the closest real clothing store to where I grew up. It was just where I just wanted to go. 

Virginia

It was the beacon of fashion and culture in 1990s Maine.

Corinne

But I do feel like I maybe have this more broadly with clothes where I'm just kind of like, "if they make something and it fits you, you should wear it."

Virginia

Because the options are so slim. And I think I'm always like, "No, I have a responsibility as someone who can wear this brand, because I should be trying to put my money towards the brands that are more size inclusive."

And I think that's true, and I'm wearing a pair of Gap jeans while we record this conversation. But I hear you, you're like, "I have nostalgia for this brand. The clothes are cute." Why are you going to waste energy being mad at The Gap for not being better. There are just other hills to die on? But also, Gap, make plus size clothes! Old Navy is doing it.

Corinne

It's so dumb. It's truly just boggling.

Virginia

You're the same company. If they can do it, you can do it. I just really believe you can. So I am mad at The Gap, but Corinne is giving them a pass.

Corinne

What else do you have?

Virginia

Okay, my next ones are the home design influencers Chris and Julia Marcum. They are @chrislovesjulia on Instagram.

To be clear, I've written a think piece about Julia Marcum, so I have applied the discourse to her. And I continue to follow them. And it's weird, because their aesthetic is not my aesthetic.

I don't know how familiar you are with their content?

Corinne

I'm not familiar. I'm only familiar with them because I've heard you mentioned them so many times.

Virginia

Okay so quick backstory: The Marcums are Mormon home design influencers. They live in North Carolina now, where they moved for her health from Idaho, which has a complicated backstory. And they have three daughters and a really pretty Bernese mountain dog. 

Their current home is enormous. The previous home was enormous. They live in these enormous homes, which she's decorating as if they were historic mansions? Her taste is so intense. Just click around at some of the visuals and you'll see what I mean. 

And it is a hyper level of overconsumption. I experience the ick regularly while looking at her content. I'm like, oh she's already put in a 30 foot long marble kitchen island, what more can she add? And then she does. They just bought a lake house they're going to start renovating that is bigger than most people's homes they live in. It's this just excessive display of wealth and consumerism.

And I'm fascinated by it, and have purchased more than one item she has recommended.

Corinne

Because it's not a hate follow or hate watch?

Virginia

Well, they are a problematic fave. I think they are actively problematic. I think they are representing the peak of influencer culture, where they're constantly pushing Amazon Prime stuff, they're constantly pushing Wayfair, they're constantly rolling out a new product line to sell you.

They're very much pushing the idea that your house should be a level of perfect that none of us can actually sustain. That you should always be renovating every room. They renovated their entire living room, and then re-renovated the entire room. Every room is always getting done in this super intense manner. It's bad!

[Post-recording note: Actually, they painted and decorated their living room, to a degree that most of us would have said was "done." And then fully renovated the same space.]

Corinne

And you look at it and you're like, yeah, I am going to buy that.

Virginia

I'm like, it's so cozy. It's not even my taste! I just, I don't know something about it is weirdly soothing.

Corinne

How did you discover these people? 

Virginia

I don't know how I discovered her. I mean, I follow a lot of home design content. I like home design. It's a soothing hobby of mine. But I have realized it's a tricky hobby to have on the Internet, because influencing as a business model makes it always, more and more and more in this way that's tricky. You should see their backyard. They have this outdoor kitchen that could seat 12. It's wild. 

Corinne

The dream. 

Virginia

It's not even! But it is weirdly addictive. 

Corinne

Okay. My next one is Chapell Roan. 

Virginia

I was going to put her on my list, but I couldn't really think of anything problematic about her! 

Corinne

People are constantly getting mad at her on TikTok, I can't even remember why. It's like, she complains, and then people get mad that she's complaining, and I just can't. I'm just like, "Leave her alone."

Virginia

Yeah, I'm not following that at all. That's not interesting to me.

Corinne

It just happens periodically.

Virginia

Oh, because she did the whole thing about, like, "I'm not going to talk to you if you say hi to me in public?"

Corinne

That was one. It's happened a few times. Occasionally she'll get mad about something, or get worked, up about something, and then will post kind of a ranty TikTok, and then people have a big backlash to that, and I just can't. 

Virginia

Oh my god, she's a 26-year-old pop sensation. Just let her be, let her be herself.

Corinne

I feel the same about Sabrina Carpenter. I like her. Sorry. Everyone hated that album cover. I don't care. I just can't. I wrote a Substack post about it. I don't care. I think the album cover is fine. I like her music. I think she's really cute and funny. 

Virginia

There was take after take on the Sabrina Carpenter album. Can we not?

Corinne

I just love her.

Virginia

I mean, this is reminding me of that great chapter in Samantha Irby's most recent book, where she talks about liking something that people think is bad and that she's just like, "Well, I like it." No follow up. And the power of just being like, "Well, I like that bad thing."

Corinne

Definitely how I felt about And Just Like That.

Virginia

Clearly not how I feel about Chris Loves Julia, but maybe it should be? Anyway, yeah, Sabrina Carpenter. Chappell Roan is constantly playing over here. I'm not interested in investigating further.

All right, my next one is definitely inspired by this is one of the things that I've taken from the Julia Marcum aesthetic. But it is also its own standalone trend. She's just one of the influencers pushing it, which is porch pumpkins. Are you aware of the porch pumpkins craze?

Corinne

Is this just like putting a pumpkin on your porch?

Virginia

No, it's putting piles of pumpkins on your porch. 

Corinne

Oh, okay, I have seen people do that.

Virginia

Wait, there was a Wall Street Journal article. I'll find it.

Corinne

When I see people do this, I'm like, I'm tired. I don't have the energy to be stacking pumpkins on my porch.

Virginia

According to the WSJ, "Families are paying north of $1,000 to create Insta perfect tableaus for porches and yards."

Corinne

Okay, so how much did you pay for your pumpkin stylist?

Virginia

Let me tell you about me and my porch pumpkins. I've been craving this look for a few years, ever since Julia Marcum first posted it. And she bought fake pumpkins, which she just keeps on hand and brings out every year to make her pile of pumpkins. And I was like, well, that's actually a more like responsible way to do it, right? To buy and reuse your pumpkins every year?

Except then I priced out her pumpkin collection, and it was like, $800 and I said to my then-husband, like, should I buy all these pumpkins? And he said, no.

Corinne

And that's why you got divorced.

Virginia

Exactly, yes. No — he was right. But every fall, I'm like, I kind of wish I had that. It looks pretty. I'm not going to spend that money, but it does look cool. So then this year the kids wanted to get pumpkins. And so Jack and I took them to a little local pumpkin patch, and I discovered the trick is to go the Saturday before Halloween. The pumpkins are on deep discount. And I now have 14 pumpkins on my front porch that I spent only $70 on.

Corinne

14 pumpkins is a lot. 

Virginia

It is a lot! They just kept giving us more. I paid $70 for maybe, like, seven pumpkins. And I was still like, well, $10 a pumpkin. We'll feed them to the chickens. Jack's like, I can bake something with this cheese pumpkin. I was like, it's it's fine. And then they were like, here. Take more. Take more. I was like, well, now the pumpkins are basically paying me to be on my porch.

Corinne

So funny. 

Virginia

I think it looks delightful and harvest-y, and I like that. It's a trend that works for both Halloween and Thanksgiving. So you can leave it up for a while. And then you could feed the pumpkins to your chickens, or bake with them, if that was the type of person you were, or throw them in your woods and let the deer eat them, which is what I would also do. 

Corinne

When I was at my mom's house in Maine, we did get a pumpkin for her front steps, and it immediately got eaten by squirrels.

Virginia

Another reason to wait until the Saturday before Halloween. So you're not trying to make this trend last all fall. I think it's also like, at this time of year, I'm getting sad about the leaves falling. I'm getting sad about the coming cold, anything that makes me like anything better. It's a pile of pumpkins. They're pretty, that's all.

Corinne

They are. The pumpkins in this photo are very beautiful.

Virginia

Yeah, no, that's the key. You don't just get orange pumpkins, you get the Cinderella pumpkins, the fancy gourds and whatnot.

Corinne

And also, how is this WSJ article/photo, leaving out the fact that there are 14 foot tall skeletons in the background?

Virginia

Yes, in that photo, they are also doing the very tall skeletons, which is a trend I'm not on because I don't know where to store it. Where does one store the 12-foot skeleton the rest of the year?

Corinne

I don't know. And those are also like $500, I think.

Virginia

They're not cheap. That's like $2,000 in Halloween decorations just on their porch. It's a commitment. And I didn't go that route, but I just enjoy it. That's all.

Corinne

Did you put them out and step back and rearrange them? 

Virginia

I sure did.

Corinne

Okay, my next one is Tom Colicchio from Top Chef. I love to watch Top Chef. I find Tom Colicchio delightful. Do you watch Top Chef? You don't. 

Virginia

I know nothing about him. He's a person who exists in the world, is what I know.

Corinne

He's a chef. He is a host of Top Chef. He's a little like, tough love, you know? He's very critical. He'll really tell you what's working or not. But he also is a heart of gold, good guy. And I don't want to know if he's a bad person in real life. I find him very lovable. 

Virginia

You don't want there to be a scandal.

Corinne

I'm queer, but I'm very here for Tom Colicchio. He's balding. He's always wearing weird hats and stuff. I just love him.

Virginia

That's adorable. Wait, I have to Google him so I have a face. 

Corinne

He's not like, a hot guy. At least I don't think so. 

Virginia

I need to know what man attracts Corinne. Ok, ok I get it.

Corinne

I would not necessarily say he's my type.

Virginia

Well and he's 63, he's a little old for you. 

Corinne

He is, and I think he's happily married. I just find him lovable.

Virginia

Well, I think that's great to just unequivocally love a straight, white man. How often can we say that? That's a good one.

All right, between porch pumpkins and Mormon home design people and now what I'm about to say, I am just really outing myself as a bougie suburban mom. It is what it is. 

But my next one is the Starbucks drive through. I do love the Starbucks drive through. It is not environmentally friendly. It is not a company I feel good about giving dollars to. I do boycott them when people remind me about the boycott. But when I am doing my mom thing, running errands, getting kids to places, the Starbucks in our town is right near where we go for doctor's appointments, and sometimes you need a cake pop or an egg bite to get you through a medical thing. And that's right there with the coffee.

Corinne

When I saw this on the outline, I was like, am I going to admit that I also love the Starbucks drive-through. 

Virginia

Please do! Solidarity. 

Corinne

I am going to admit that, and I will say I did boycott them for a while because of the unionization stuff, and my solution to that now has been to go to the Starbucks in my town that is unionized. So I will say you can look up if there's a unionized Starbucks near you. Worth looking into. 

Virginia

I'm sure there's not. [Post-recording note: But there is in NYC!]

Corinne

And I did just double check and they're not on the BDS list, which I thought they were.

Virginia

That makes me feel a little better.

Corinne

I know. I love to go to a cool local coffee shop. And then sometimes I just want that sugary stuff. I also never know the sizes. I'm always like, can I have the large and they're like, venti? But I want, like, the tall, sweet, milky drink.

Virginia

Jack is not a Starbucks guy at all, and does not speak Starbucks. And we went to Starbucks when we were traveling, and my whole family orders all of our complicated drinks. And he's just like, can I just have a black coffee? And they were like, what?

Corinne

I feel like you can get him into it. 

Virginia

All our complicated drinks came out, and they were like, a coffee? Did you say you wanted a black coffee? It took them, like, an hour to just make him a regular.

Corinne

I know. There’s a whole thing. I feel like fast food restaurants you have to, like, learn how to order from them.

Virginia

You have to speak the lingo. When I'm dealing with my voice stuff, which I periodically am, people can probably hear I'm a little raspy today. The medicine ball at Starbucks, which is an off menu item, is a really good get if you're having a sore throat.

Corinne

Yeah, I will also say they're incredible for traveling. When I'm doing road trips, I'll often go in the morning, because they open at 5 or 6.

Virginia

And you can get something predictable, like, you know what it's going to be, and you know you can eat their egg sandwich.

Corinne

I also want to add that I know a lot of them do actually pay better than smaller coffee shops and offer a lot of benefits that small businesses don't or can't.

Virginia

I feel that information is both excellent to have, and not in the spirit of this episode. 

Corinne

True.

Virginia

Because now you are discoursing Starbucks. 

Corinne

I'm so sorry. I really am. 

Virginia

It's okay. I discoursed Julia Marcum quite a bit. It's hard to talk about these things without discourse.

I also just want to say drive-throughs in general are such a help to parents or anyone caregiving, because you can get the thing you need and not have to get the kids out of the car. My kids are old and they can get themselves in and out of the car, but in my infant/toddler years, oh man. I was like, Why can't everything be drive through?

Corinne

Also for driving cross country with a dog. I don't want to leave her in the car if it's 100 degrees, but I do need to get food. 

Virginia

I do need to eat! So this is how we do it. So, drive-throughs are bad for the environment and also great sometimes. 

Corinne

Okay, the last one on my list is Lizzo.

Virginia

Whoa, problematic fave. Sorry, she is.

Corinne

I know, but I like her music, and I find her charming and delightful, even when she's talking about diets on podcasts. I'm just like, okay, I feel I can ignore it. 

Virginia

Well, look. If we're going to look past the flaws of our Bad, Skinny Girl TV, why wouldn't we look past the flaws of Black, fat women, you know what I mean? She deserves the same pass.

Corinne

That is how I feel.

Virginia

I love her music. My eight year old loves her music because she learned the word bitch from it. And she  likes to use the word bitch, and then be like, "I'm saying it in the Lizzo way, Mama." 

Corinne

Oh, that's funny.

Virginia

All right, speaking of my kids, I brought up this whole concept at dinner last night because I was trying to brainstorm my list. And I was like, guys, you have to help me think of my problematic faves. 

And I said, maybe the Eagles / NFL is a new problematic fave? Which I've gotten into because of Jack. And Jack was immediately like, yep, yep, it's super problematic, and I love it. 

So Jack's a huge Eagles fan. I've started watching Eagles games with him. I don't know what's happening, but I'm here for the player gossip and the sort of general world of it, which I find interesting. 

And I'm usually reading a book or doing something else while we're watching, but I like it. And I said at dinner, "Well, it's not like I really understand what's going on with the sport. I just kind of like the atmosphere of it."

And my 12 year old goes, "Mama, now you're being a pick me girl!" And I was like, wait, am I? What's a pick me girl? And she said, "You're like, 'I don't know what's going on with the sport. Like, only boys really understand it. But I just like it, I guess.' That's such a pick me girl thing to do. You only like it because your boyfriend does!"

Corinne

I do think there's a pick me thing about being into sports because boys are into sports.

Virginia

Well, I'm 44 and I've never before in my life attempted to like sports at all. And she was like, yeah, that makes it worse. It'd be different if you'd always liked it. Because my dad's side of the family is really into football. She's like, "You never watched it growing up with Granddad." I was like, no, I sure didn't. Wasn't a pick me girl then. 

Corinne

Wow. Called out.

Virginia

Called out. Middle schoolers are brutal. I was like,"Does my feminist credibility get me off the hook on this at all?" And the eight-year-old wants me to add that once they understood the concept of a pick me girl, they now co sign that Mama is being a pick me girl about football and no, being a good feminist does not erase that.

Corinne

Getting ganged up on! I do think sports is a good example of this, though. 

Virginia

I mean, the NFL is a mess. We were watching a game last week where this guy on the Giants broke his full foot off?! It was terrible. And he's like 20-something, and probably his football career just ended. 

Corinne

That's really awful.

Virginia

And Jack told me the NFL is a 501c3, which seems wrong. They make quite a lot of money. I don't think they should be a nonprofit.

[Post-recording note: They were actually a 5016b and gave up that status in 2015, but the point still stands.]

Corinne

Yeah, that is confusing. 

Virginia

Not great. But Eagles does have an Autism Research Foundation, so that's nice. And I've noticed a lot of, a lot of feminist Hollywood people I like, really like the Eagles. Quinta Brunson is a huge Eagles fan. Also, Hannah Einbender from Hacks, said "Go birds" in her Emmy acceptance speech, along with "Free Palestine." And I was like, yep, here for both those things. So a lot of cool people like the Eagles.

Corinne

The Eagles do seem like the the team to back.

Virginia

They're like the progressive team. I mean, until they're not, because it's football, and they trade the players around all the time. I don't know. I truly don't understand the sport at all, which apparently, again, is making it worse. 

Corinne

I feel like, eventually you'll start. 

Virginia

I mean, I can't underscore enough that I did grow up in a football family, and none of it ever penetrated, so I had a lot of chances. I'm enjoying it more now.

Corinne

I'm into football for the snacks.

Virginia

Yes, I'm enjoying the food and, the Sunday afternoon ritual of it. On a Sunday afternoon, I just want to lay on the couch and chill. So sure, it could be football. It could be bad skinny girl TV. I'm just letting it wash over me totally and eating good snacks.

Butter

Virginia

Okay should we switch to non-problematic faves and do some Butter? 

Corinne

Yes, absolutely. What's your Butter?

Virginia

My Butter is that it is time to plant your fall bulbs. If you have not done it already. I really recommend everybody do some bulb planting. No matter how nascent of a gardener you are, you can't fuck up bulb planting. Like, get a bag of daffodil bulbs and dig some holes and put, three bulbs in each hole and cover them up. And that's all you have to do. 

Corinne

Wow. Maybe I should do that!

Virginia

It's so easy. It's very foolproof gardening. Bulbs are really like, you don't have to water. You just stick them in the ground. It doesn't even matter if you get them right side up, they figure it out underground. They're like, oh, I'm upside down. I'll flip around somehow. I don't know how they do it, but they'll be fine. And then in the spring, you're going to have daffodils, and you're going to be so happy. 

Corinne

That is a good Butter.

Virginia

I try to plant them every year. Last fall I skipped and I regretted it. Critters do eat some, but daffodils are pretty bulletproof. And also alliums, nobody really wants to eat them. So those are my recommendations. Do some bulb planting. 

Corinne

Cool. That's a good rec. 

I'm going to recommend a recipe which is Korean BBQ style meatballs from New York Times Cooking. It's a really good recipe. It's very easy. It's a low lift. It's ground beef, crushed ritz crackers, scallions, soy sauce, garlic. And you basically just mash that all together, make it into little balls and then bake it. And it's very filling and delicious, and goes with any kind of carb-y thing you want to serve it with. I've been eating it with potatoes. 

Virginia

This sounds awesome,.

Corinne

It's just delicious and satisfying and easy.

Virginia

All right, I want people to tell us what their problematic--I'm sorry I don't have a better term--what their problematic faves are, what their moments of culture where you are unavailable for discourse. You just want to enjoy it. What are yours? Put them in the comments!

I feel like we may need to do a master list of delightful favorite things. 

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